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How does one 'make it' past the trial?
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Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-04-26 09:44:34 UTC
The sound of your last post makes me think you might have a good time trying some pirating, or finding a good low sec gang that does small hulls PVP.
Just a note, can-flipping is for high sec, in low sec you don't need to flag yourself since concord won't show up in a belt if you aggro someone, so you can just point and shoot, but once you get a GCC criminal countdown, stations and gates sentries will fire upon you until the timer runs off.
It feels like you could have a good time dabbling in ransoming ships in low, with a rifter you can already fit the necessary tools to pin down a target and if you bit more than you can swallow, you only lose a cheap hull. But if you succeed, you can kick a little career.
However, your sec status might cause you troubles if you like spending time in high sec, but that can be worked on with rats.
Fight your way in and you might have some good thrills.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#22 - 2012-04-26 11:56:15 UTC
When buying skillbooks very rarely you really need to buy them in lowsec and when you are newbie it is better to pay little more or make one more jump and have it in hisec. On the other hand usually you don't carry skillbooks back but inject them right away so even getting blown on way back is not very painful. With modules it different because you have to haul them back but again: usually you can buy them near you home system which I assume for you is in hisec at the moment.

If you want to feel da thrill and dabble in lowsec pvp you need to know few things:

- making safe bookmarks (places where you can hide offgrid to avoid or at least postpone being hunted down, very useful when you get GCC and have to wait it out). make few of them and if you are hunted bounce between them to avoid being probed down

- on grid bookmarks - 300km from gates to have a look if gate is camped or not, useful also in case of top belts and station

- funny little detail about GCC: you can dock one minute after getting flagged, you don't have to wait whole 15 minutes of timer in space

- you will lose sh*tload of ships but if you want to be pvp pilot that's ok, each fight will teach you sth or at least it should

- big and/or shinny does not mean better, don't throw all your money on ships you barely can sit in

- destroyers are nice step up from frigs, you only need to train Destroyers skill, all skills and mods/gunz are the same as for your rifter. they also are good for L1 missions if you want to do them

- don't expect 1v1 even when agreed before, some ppl respect it some are just, well...

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Blackhuey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-04-26 22:31:02 UTC
Nissui wrote:
This was the best time I've had in the trial, and even if I was blown up and never got to sell the stolen goods, would have been drastically more exciting than any of the other newbie activities. I'm totally paying for a month of this game if I can keep doing this. Awesome.


Another baby Doberman. Outstanding.

My brother had a similar experience. Tooled around on the trial doing tutorials and missions, not really "getting it". Then on day 20 of 21 I took him to nullsec in a 100 man gang. Half an hour in, he said "omg NOW I get it."

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#24 - 2012-04-27 06:33:41 UTC
Nissui wrote:
I think the post body is a complaint. The question is in the post title. Based on your post, the implicit answer is to 'find a niche', which I guess is one thing I'm failing to do. I know mission hopping isn't cutting it, though.


Mission running is a tool to get isk that you can then spend on things you actually want to do, and even then it's not the best use of your time as far as isk return is concerned.

Grab some frigates and join a PvP corp, is my recommendation. A Red versus Blue corp would be the obvious suggestion, assuming those alliances are still around. PvP is much more exciting. If you want more exciting PvE, you're probably stuck with missions, but grabbing a buddy and running some higher-level ones will make things less ********.
Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#25 - 2012-04-27 10:51:10 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
EVE doesn't lead you by the nose. You have to decide what you want to do, and what your goals are. If you can't do that, you are not suited to EVE, and will very quickly find it boring.


This is the secret of making it past the tutorial.
EVE is not for those with lack of patience and will to find out stuff for themselves. It's not a fairground MMO. You create your own content and adventures in this sandbox. You get sand kicked in your face, get pushed over by larger and older bullies, fight back and ultmately succeed in what you are trying to do.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-04-27 10:56:38 UTC
Chal0ner wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
EVE doesn't lead you by the nose. You have to decide what you want to do, and what your goals are. If you can't do that, you are not suited to EVE, and will very quickly find it boring.


This is the secret of making it past the tutorial.
EVE is not for those with lack of patience and will to find out stuff for themselves. It's not a fairground MMO. You create your own content and adventures in this sandbox. You get sand kicked in your face, get pushed over by larger and older bullies, fight back and ultmately succeed in what you are trying to do.


Best way so far that I've seen that describes EVE.

It's a sandbox, build your own sandcastles and destroy others while preventing them to destroy yours =)

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#27 - 2012-04-27 13:18:25 UTC
Nissui wrote:
Tried again tonight, didn't find any miners, but purchased a skillbook in a lowsec station and went to go pick it up.

The system was very quiet, but I noticed there were a lot of asteroid belts, and since I was the only pilot in system I decided to take a minute to use the directional scanner like the guide pages said. A whole bunch of normal containers showed up and I thought, "why not?" I went from belt to belt finding containers and wrecks from two other corporations, and proceeded to steal everything. It must have been unwanted stuff, because they never came back over the next 45 minutes to pick it up. But among the modules was a remote armor repair module that was worth a million ISK, and the rest of the items sold for an additional 180000, so I made back half of what I spent on those 21 skillbooks.

While I was going from belt to belt, someone from a third corp arrived in the system in a Coercer, then another from a fourth corp in a Vengeance. I thought that my Rifter would not be a good match against these ships when I checked info, so I warped off to the first thing my cursor fell on the dropdown list, which ended up being a planet. I thought getting away from the belts would make me harder to find, but within ten seconds the flashing orange Vengeance was about 150km below me. I watched the distance as I spammed the afterburner (stupid adrenaline), but he did not give chase. Then another pilot from a fifth corp showed up on local channel and now there was a Helios on directional scan. At this point I felt outnumbered and my aggression countdown was less than 2 minutes, so I warped to the first belt I hit then aimed straight down and turned on the afterburners again. No one showed up this time, and after the countdown elapsed I made it to the highsec gate and jumped to safety.

This was the best time I've had in the trial, and even if I was blown up and never got to sell the stolen goods, would have been drastically more exciting than any of the other newbie activities. I'm totally paying for a month of this game if I can keep doing this. Awesome.



Found a way to pay for skill books without grinding missions on a trail account? You'll do fine.


You would be very surprised at the number of long time players that don't know how to use d-scan. My advice? Use your noobness and willingness to read and learn to get in a high sec corp with very bad security, work your way up while you train some stuff....then rob them blind and kill the ones with expensive ships before you quit. If ya score at least a billion (not hard) that's 2 plex so your account will cost zero for two months while you go on your next adventure.

Corps and alliances are not as important as blues (friendlies) and contacts with bigger groups (batphones).

Have fun, Play dirty
Nissui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-04-27 17:00:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Nissui
This thread was the best decision I've made so far, due to the responses I got from everyone. So thanks for that.

Bought my time code last night, but didn't get to play due to schoolwork. Guess I will start looking into corps, been told to try to find a fight or two, and if I have no luck scavenging or stealing I will run some of the Sisters of Eve missions to pay for more ships. Not my favorite thing, but hey.

Oh yeah, I still had questions about some things that I couldn't get answered in Rookie help, but I will look around for answers as I'm sure they've been asked before (bookmarks, frigates vs destroyers, gun selection, etc).
Ky Vatta
Majority 12
#29 - 2012-04-27 23:44:27 UTC
Big smile What the people in the NPC Corp you start off with will tell you, is don`t join a player Corp, you get declared war on all the time, they will rip you off etc...

That happens sometimes, but is mostly not true at all

Most player Corps will help you get along, help train you, give advice, even isk to buy skillbooks
(however, they can be quite unhelpful, until you say you plan to subscribe, they don`t really want to waste stuff on trial players)

Some Corps run chats open to anyone, where you can get free advice from experts (better than Rookie chat)
You do not have to be in a player corp to chat there (If you ask me, I can direct you to one)

I`ll give free advice, to the best of my knowledge, to anyone btw (I have played Eve nonstop over 8 years now)
Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-04-28 07:50:03 UTC
I'm glad you got the experience that captivates most eve players. I'd offer to take you pvping with those that I commonly pvp with unfortunately as of late it has been targets of opportunity but if you need help making Isk. Just hit me up if I'm not preoccupied don't mind helping new players. Or if you have any pvp questions just hit me upin a mail or a pc.

Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if you're in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. Pub Channel: Lost Souls Trading Post
Naes Mlahrend
Devil's Horsemen
#31 - 2012-04-29 02:54:34 UTC
Heck yea, some good PvP gives you a little rush and maybe a little chubby when it goes right.
Claire Deveraux
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-04-29 06:17:25 UTC
I'm having the same problems as the thread starter, I came to EVE with a preset bunch of ideas of what I would be doing based on previous experiences in other MMOs. In other games I'm used to crafting for my friends, healing in groups and just do a little bit of everything, but here I found that production is mostly about burying your nose in spreadsheets, is very much detached and abstract and I simply don't like it here. PVE (for the most part) has been a solo affair and, to me at least, is just plain boring.

I did find a corporation and through talking with them and people from the help channels I'm slowly starting to realise that this game is about team play and teamwork but on an entirely different level than I'm used to. So I'll stick to the game for a few more months, getting my skills up and hope the game proves me right. But right now it's very much a "pfff, why even bother logging in" bore fest, I must admit.
Brannsy
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-04-29 07:13:14 UTC
EVE is very much what you make of it. Simply put, do whatever strikes you at the moment. Sometimes I'll be sitting out in null, go "F*** this" and run to highsec to partake in some good old Exploration, which is what I do for a "living" in EVE....when I'm able to make it back there.

Will you get bored sometimes? Yes, probably, but it is always possible to find something to do, and if anything else you can sit in a trade hub and BS with people, or go looking for PEWPEW.

As for Corps, most Corps do not like taking in Trial Pilots simply because they have a horrible tendency to go inactive, I found that out the hard way. EVE is very much a people game, if you don't interact with others it can be very very boring.
Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-04-29 10:01:48 UTC
Claire I have to say that your comment gives me a very good opportunity to say that eve is not like other mmo's and thats in my oppinion a good thing, though it also involves a lot of numbers. There is nothing wrong with playing like you have in other mmo's and manufacture and play logi (your main healers in eve). Just be aware that you might not be able to make great Isk doing it. After all you you can always make stuff if you happen to have materials laying around I know I do. And if you fancy playing alone there are a number of professions that allow for solo play in eve. Just be aware though that eve is designed for working in groups, and most things are more profitable when working in groups, for examples incursions and whs. That is why to any player that wants a real eve experience find a corp and play the way you want, (hopefully its a corp that doesn't dictate your play style). But if you don't become part of the eve community you mis out on 90-95% of the game.

Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if you're in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. Pub Channel: Lost Souls Trading Post
Claire Deveraux
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-04-29 11:05:46 UTC
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a BAD thing but it is kind of a "culture shock". I'm used to light entertainment, simple fun MMOs to waste half an hour or so of time and that just doesn't seem to translate to EVE (so far) mostly because it doesn't seem to be light entertainment from the get go.

So in my case I need to redefine my goals and intentions and I need to "translate" my needs and wants into what EVE can offer me, and that simply takes some time to figure out but the thing is that in the mean time it's "boring" and then it all depends on how long term one can think to sit it out. I'm fine to accept that I'll have to endure it a little bit in the beginning and take my time because I can see the potential EVE has but I fully understand people who choose not to wait that long.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#36 - 2012-04-29 15:27:26 UTC
Claire Deveraux wrote:
to waste half an hour .



Yeah, just play solitaire.

If ya want to hop on and kill belt rats for a lil bit a 1/2 hour is more than enough. If ya plan to grab a ship, enter space and find a fight?...well I guess you can but that would take much longer than a 1/2 hour to explain to you.
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