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New Dev Blog: Carebearing 2.0

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Daioh Azu
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#541 - 2012-04-24 23:20:27 UTC
Shannae Darkehart wrote:
Daioh Azu wrote:
[Wait a minute. Isn't all that Meta 0 loot gonna disappear? Yeah, I think I read that somewhere. Weren't they gonna replace it with something? Yeah, I thought it was Metal Scraps. Let's see, Metal Scraps have a volume of 0.01m3. Trit has a volume of 0.01m3. OK, 1 Metal Scrap refines into 500 Trit. That's a compression ratio of 500:1. That a 1190% improvement, and rats are gonna start dropping it like rain. All you've got to do is convince someone to stand outside with a bucket!


I was wondering if anyone else had figured this out. XD

Love your posts, btw. ♥

Thank you for the kind words, and yes, I had noticed. Here are some dirty numbers I'd run. I have the skills to fit a Viator with 3 Giant Secure Containers, thats 11,700m3. In that volume I can fit 390 batches of Doom Citadel Torpedoes that have a Tritanium compression ratio of about 12:1. So if I use this blockade runner to ship my excess high ends to empire, then import my Trit in this compressd form, I can recycle these torpedoes and get about 14,000,000 trit.

Assuming a battleship requires about 9,000,000 trit to build; Tier 1's are about 5 mil, Tier 2's about 9 mil, and Tier 3's about 15 mil; with torpedoes I can import about 1-1/2 battleships worth of trit.

Substitute the torpedoes with metal scraps, I can import 1,170,000 metal scraps. At 500:1 compression ratio that recycles to 585,000,000 trit. Enough to build 65 battleships, all without carrier or jump freighter support.

I don't know about you, but I'd be willing to pay a premium to import my trit in this more convenient form. It will be interesting to see if the value of metal scraps increases to the point the mission runners and salvagers begin looting those small and medium cans that often before were left behind.
Daioh Azu
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#542 - 2012-04-25 00:07:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Daioh Azu
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Shannae Darkehart wrote:
Daioh Azu wrote:
[Wait a minute. Isn't all that Meta 0 loot gonna disappear? Yeah, I think I read that somewhere. Weren't they gonna replace it with something? Yeah, I thought it was Metal Scraps. Let's see, Metal Scraps have a volume of 0.01m3. Trit has a volume of 0.01m3. OK, 1 Metal Scrap refines into 500 Trit. That's a compression ratio of 500:1. That a 1190% improvement, and rats are gonna start dropping it like rain. All you've got to do is convince someone to stand outside with a bucket!


I was wondering if anyone else had figured this out. XD

Love your posts, btw. ♥

How much ore do the have compared to the items they are replacing?

If its less, then the system is going to see a net loss in the amount of ore being created. Just because they are smaller doesn't mean they are gonna be the new drone poop, since they really don't drop that often.

No-one is suggesting that there will not be a net loss in the amount of MINERALS introduced with these changes. A temporary net loss is a certainty. Nullsec, J Space, and Meta 1-3 drops will now be the only sources of Megacyte; with Null and J the only for Morphite. Gneiss might actually be worth mining again with drones not leaking Zydrine like motor oil from a '72 Pinto, and yes, there will be less Tritanium and Scordite. However, the market is not static. Wherever there is a need, eventually some miner will fill it.

What they won't be able to do is produce such a super-dense form of tritanium. There are no blueprints for metal scraps. They only come from loot drops. What remains to be seen is will Nullbears who are too afraid the mine for the Trit in which they are swimming, recognize this as a valuable resource. Will the portability entice them to offer enough ISK to encourage mission runners to collect it for them?
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#543 - 2012-04-26 20:08:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Caellach Marellus
Kayzum Mother Drone (Rogue Drone Harassment) has no bounty. She (at least I'm guessing it's a She!) still has the Elite Drone AI, which was her entire loot drop prepatch, but no isk value.

Considering other RD's that did and still drop the EDAI have a value, is this intended?




Couple of other things I've noticed, this may/may not be purely me being very very lucky for the past 30 hours. Would like to know if it's just me or these really are actual unlisted changes.


  • With the change to Meta 0 drops, I'm not seeing a large increase in Metal Scrap drops but instead Meta 1-4's (Especially Meta 4's.) I've constantly come out of missions with a good 20% of each Meta type as the overall loot in my cargo (the remainder being T1 drones, ammo and odd misc drops)

  • Serpentis salvage no longer seems to suck and drops far more Armour Plates than it previously did. Getting 20+ in a single mission now whereas before I'd muster 7-8 from across the battleships and the odd BC.



Will post any other things as I find them, but that's all for now.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

CCP Affinity
C C P
C C P Alliance
#544 - 2012-04-26 20:51:57 UTC
will investigate and reply tomorrow

Caellach Marellus wrote:
Kayzum Mother Drone (Rogue Drone Harassment) has no bounty. She (at least I'm guessing it's a She!) still has the Elite Drone AI, which was her entire loot drop prepatch, but no isk value.

Considering other RD's that did and still drop the EDAI have a value, is this intended?




Couple of other things I've noticed, this may/may not be purely me being very very lucky for the past 30 hours. Would like to know if it's just me or these really are actual unlisted changes.


  • With the change to Meta 0 drops, I'm not seeing a large increase in Metal Scrap drops but instead Meta 1-4's (Especially Meta 4's.) I've constantly come out of missions with a good 20% of each Meta type as the overall loot in my cargo (the remainder being T1 drones, ammo and odd misc drops)

  • Serpentis salvage no longer seems to suck and drops far more Armour Plates than it previously did. Getting 20+ in a single mission now whereas before I'd muster 7-8 from across the battleships and the odd BC.



Will post any other things as I find them, but that's all for now.

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Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#545 - 2012-04-26 21:09:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Caellach Marellus
Much appreciated, thank you :)


Edit: Just an extra note of feedback. Rogue Drone bounties (at least for those who spawn in L4 missions) seem far smaller than that of Faction specific bounties (As in Cartel/Serps/Blooder/Sansha etc as opposed to mercenary spawns)

Considering they also have terrible salvage and no loot drops outside the traditional Rogue Drone AI's, they're very much devalued compared to other rats (with the lack of loot they're as valuable as mercenary rats) is this intended balance against other Rat types?


Thanks again.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

jJohn Morgan
Perkone
Caldari State
#546 - 2012-04-27 09:01:55 UTC
CCP Affinity wrote:
Blakslabeth wrote:
So the summary is:

#1 More expensive ships
#2 Less ability to make isk in incursions
#3 If you live in the drone region your true sec now sucks.

Hard to get excited about 3 nerfs in one blog.



but.. think of the miners dude! They need love too <3

this is the biggest pile of stinnking manure i've heard yet the removal of drone salvage achives only one thing, the removal of the only source of morphite from Hi/sec space morphite is esential for all T2/3 production from Ammo to ships and just the latest attack on independent Hi/sec industrialists
TheButcherPete
Blackbase Incorporated
#547 - 2012-04-27 11:11:08 UTC
Well, after testing the new Hordes, I must say
1. You need more than 2 accounts to really make any decent isk.
2. It just freakin' feels weird to leave a horde without bringing my Noctis in
3. The Dronelands as CCP gave us, were such a grand gift. Now that gift is a burden. Between Omni damage, the fact that the bounties aren't high enough to make up for the lack of loot, and the salvage is still terrible, I'm not sure if the droneland population will continue to grow.

CCP, we acknowledge that the amount of minerals coming from Droneland 0.0 was too much, however, the changes you have made have rendered my regions worth much less than even the most basic of pirate NPC region.

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Atum
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
#548 - 2012-04-27 12:43:45 UTC
TheButcherPete wrote:
...the changes you have made have rendered my regions worth much less than even the most basic of pirate NPC region.

Not to pick on you specifically, but (playing devil's advocate here) might it be CCP's unstated goal (naw, they'd never do that, Trust Me(tm)!) to turn drones into a sort of null-sec-for-newbies area? Sorta like how the Delve Thunderdome emerged following the IT cascade, but in an area that the major powerblocs wouldn't want to bother with invading and defending? It'd give fledgling alliances a place to put down a stake and learn the mechanics of sov holding/taking/defending without the fear of Goons/Razor/Solar/whoever wanting the land for themselves.
TheButcherPete
Blackbase Incorporated
#549 - 2012-04-27 12:59:23 UTC
Atum wrote:
TheButcherPete wrote:
...the changes you have made have rendered my regions worth much less than even the most basic of pirate NPC region.

Not to pick on you specifically, but (playing devil's advocate here) might it be CCP's unstated goal (naw, they'd never do that, Trust Me(tm)!) to turn drones into a sort of null-sec-for-newbies area? Sorta like how the Delve Thunderdome emerged following the IT cascade, but in an area that the major powerblocs wouldn't want to bother with invading and defending? It'd give fledgling alliances a place to put down a stake and learn the mechanics of sov holding/taking/defending without the fear of Goons/Razor/Solar/whoever wanting the land for themselves.


You strike a good point, I hadn't considered that. I always figured that CCP intended Curse to be lolnullsecnoob area, and now you see what it is :)

[b]THE KING OF EVE RADIO

If EVE is real, does that mean all of us are RMTrs?[/b]

CCP Affinity
C C P
C C P Alliance
#550 - 2012-04-27 13:00:13 UTC
It will get a bounty shortly! Thanks for letting us know.

Five 0 will monitor the Meta 0 drops over the next few weeks to make sure all is working as intended.

You seem to be very lucky at the moment.. we haven't touched any salvage stuff ;)

Caellach Marellus wrote:
Kayzum Mother Drone (Rogue Drone Harassment) has no bounty. She (at least I'm guessing it's a She!) still has the Elite Drone AI, which was her entire loot drop prepatch, but no isk value.

Considering other RD's that did and still drop the EDAI have a value, is this intended?




Couple of other things I've noticed, this may/may not be purely me being very very lucky for the past 30 hours. Would like to know if it's just me or these really are actual unlisted changes.


  • With the change to Meta 0 drops, I'm not seeing a large increase in Metal Scrap drops but instead Meta 1-4's (Especially Meta 4's.) I've constantly come out of missions with a good 20% of each Meta type as the overall loot in my cargo (the remainder being T1 drones, ammo and odd misc drops)

  • Serpentis salvage no longer seems to suck and drops far more Armour Plates than it previously did. Getting 20+ in a single mission now whereas before I'd muster 7-8 from across the battleships and the odd BC.



Will post any other things as I find them, but that's all for now.

♥ CCP Affinity ♥

Follow me on Twitter

Game Designer for EVE Online

Team Astro Sparkle

Camios
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#551 - 2012-04-27 13:25:00 UTC
A question: why don't you nerf reprocessing of modules? Mineral compression is nice in theory but it removes the need of mining in nullsec. If reprocessing efficiency were nerfed progressively, we could see more people going to mine in 0.0.
Atum
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
#552 - 2012-04-27 13:28:00 UTC
TheButcherPete wrote:
You strike a good point, I hadn't considered that. I always figured that CCP intended Curse to be lolnullsecnoob area, and now you see what it is :)

Might have been their idea before drone regions were added, but you can't claim sov in Curse (Angel Cartel owns it all).
Alice Katsuko
Perkone
Caldari State
#553 - 2012-04-28 04:17:32 UTC
CCP Affinity wrote:
It will get a bounty shortly! Thanks for letting us know.

Five 0 will monitor the Meta 0 drops over the next few weeks to make sure all is working as intended.

You seem to be very lucky at the moment.. we haven't touched any salvage stuff ;)


Should other Elite Drones which only drop an Elite Drone AI have received bounties as well? The Elite Drone Parasite which spawns at the start of the solar collector-type Drone Patrol also doesn't have a bounty, but I assumed this was intentional since it didn't drop any alloys pre-Escalation, so its value remained unchanged.

phobos1
Globaltech Industries
#554 - 2012-05-01 20:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: phobos1
What are CCP up too I've just done a lvl4 drone harassment mission only too find no drone Poo being dropped instead all there is -- is a lousy low bounty its now become not worth doing, at least the drone Poo gave me something too make stuff with the bounty is so low its not worth the cost of ammo too fly the mission -- so CCP in future I will give drone missions a miss -- might I suggest that you take up a career in politics as they screw things up just like your doing !!. ShockedEvil
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#555 - 2012-05-02 08:18:57 UTC
lol 4 hours before DT & Gallante space Vanguards are 100% stacked OTA's. No I didn't predict this in the forums in the weeks proir to the patch ater hearing feedback from actual Incursion runners on SiSi... So Vanguards are suposed to be a trainning ground before assaults? OTA is a death trap for any non shiney ship. TBH All the assaults now are easier then the OTAs. May as well rename Vanguard systems Assault systems & vice versa
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Ganre Sorc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#556 - 2012-05-03 14:09:20 UTC
I don't know if CCP keeps an eye on the incursion communities, but you have effectively destroyed the groups that run Vangaards. In my experience, when you make a change to code, you change one thing at a time. I think you could have achieved the desired results by changing the spawns, and leaving the rewards where they were.
Davo OHno
The Sagan Clan
#557 - 2012-05-03 15:38:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Davo OHno
DarthNefarius wrote:
lol 4 hours before DT & Gallante space Vanguards are 100% stacked OTA's. No I didn't predict this in the forums in the weeks proir to the patch ater hearing feedback from actual Incursion runners on SiSi... So Vanguards are suposed to be a trainning ground before assaults? OTA is a death trap for any non shiney ship. TBH All the assaults now are easier then the OTAs. May as well rename Vanguard systems Assault systems & vice versa


Awesome, CCP has effectively made another part of the game virtually impossible for newer players to get into. Not only that but the generation of ISK was nerfed so getting into a shiney ship is even harder. Oh and not to mention the ship costs these days. But wait... CCP is going to nerf datacore farming. So all those shiney ships and modules are about to get even more expensive.

Sorry Newbs, your skrewed. Sorry, anyone who's been training for incursions we just changed the name of the game, keep training. Try to make some isk along the way too, so you can afford the shiney fit. Don't try and do it with an alt and semi passive income though. We're nerfing that.
Lucien Mekhet
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#558 - 2012-05-08 21:12:57 UTC
Davo OHno wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
lol 4 hours before DT & Gallante space Vanguards are 100% stacked OTA's. No I didn't predict this in the forums in the weeks proir to the patch ater hearing feedback from actual Incursion runners on SiSi... So Vanguards are suposed to be a trainning ground before assaults? OTA is a death trap for any non shiney ship. TBH All the assaults now are easier then the OTAs. May as well rename Vanguard systems Assault systems & vice versa


Awesome, CCP has effectively made another part of the game virtually impossible for newer players to get into. Not only that but the generation of ISK was nerfed so getting into a shiney ship is even harder. Oh and not to mention the ship costs these days. But wait... CCP is going to nerf datacore farming. So all those shiney ships and modules are about to get even more expensive.

Sorry Newbs, your skrewed. Sorry, anyone who's been training for incursions we just changed the name of the game, keep training. Try to make some isk along the way too, so you can afford the shiney fit. Don't try and do it with an alt and semi passive income though. We're nerfing that.



I agree. It's harder to get into incursions. Missioning makes less isk, particularly for new pilots. Ships have more than doubled in price. ISK is harder to make, and who wants to spend days missioning to replace a T1 ship if you feel like going for a roam? It seems that the PVE content - by far the most popular - has been nerfed badly for no other reason than "some people are making too much ISK".

Oh, and also to "make mining more profitable" of course. As if anyone likes mining who is not playing AFK. As if mining isn't the cause of 95% of the pilots who quit EVE from boredom. But, by all means, nerf the content that people like in order to push the content that people hate.
Atum
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
#559 - 2012-05-09 05:08:05 UTC
Lucien Mekhet wrote:
As if anyone likes mining who is not playing AFK. As if mining isn't the cause of 95% of the pilots who quit EVE from boredom. But, by all means, nerf the content that people like in order to push the content that people hate.

Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass 'GO', do not collect $200.

Sorry, but some of us *do* enjoy just sitting there and blasting rocks, listening to the dull drone of lasers blasting them into little tiny bits, which then fit comfortably in our cargo holds while we socialize in various channels, play EOH, or dream of winning the BIG Lottery. See. there's this thing called "Real Life," and in this "Real Life," some of us have "jobs" which aren't always fun, and can often bring about this thing called "stress." "Stress," you see, makes us irritable and cranky. It also makes us lose hair. What you perceive to be a hopelessly AFK occupation is, for some, a chance to unwind while doing something constructive for ourselves, our corps, and/or our alliance. Sure, maybe it's not your thing. But that doesn't mean it's worthless.
John Zorg
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#560 - 2012-05-09 10:33:39 UTC
Hi CCP,

Now that I have once again returned to mining which is pretty awesome :D Could I ask that CCP look at creating a mining crystal bay for barges.

With the volume that is mined now with max skills one can only mine once cycle and then have to dump in a can ready for the next cycle. The problem with this is I can't fit a full spread of crystals and spares in aswell.

I understand that if you rat with a missile boat you need to go back to base to get more when you run out, but missiles and other ammo is a lot smaller than crystals.

A "crystal bay" which is the ammo bay you discussed some time back would make this very handy. Another suggestion is to create a bay on the Rorqual and Orca that is visible to the entire fleet and requires no roles. Something like the Ship Maintenence bay.

JZ