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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2012-04-26 19:30:19 UTC
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:
I am speaking to the null sec zealots in-game plus the faction within the CCP dev/content community.
Well, you got what you wanted. Another massive transfer of wealth from high sec income to null sec.

Best guess after the devastation of the VG's, is we are looking at Incursion ISK injected in the game go from 9 Trillion/month to about 3-4 Trillion, once people have fully figured them out. An immense nerf.

Meantime, the bounties on all Drone missions equals new ISK from the Drone Regions.
High sec missions drone bounties will be less far far than the reduction in high sec Incursion Payouts, while the Drone Regions are a substantial new ISK flow.

Let's see what the May numbers look like when CCP does it's tweeets at end of May.
Let's see how close I am in my estimates.

I am banking on 3.5 trillion ISK injection from Incursions, and about 28-30 trillion from rest of the game.
Total reduction of ISK/month will be in the 1-2 trillion range tops, with a much larger percentage being generated from null.

You just keep pounding away through the CSM and with direct conversations with Soundwave and his cadre.
Pretty soon you will get what you want, high sec space devoid of any income potential.

Datacore farming is being devastated in May.
What is the odds of hearing rumblings by June of removing T2 mfg/invention from high sec?

You null sec nutbars really can't see the forest for the trees. You will wipe out the subscription base. But you just don't care about that. You would be quite happy to see half of the current subscription base in the game, with no high sec at all.


Im a bit confused... This is written in a tone that all the above points are bad... kinda confusing since all the above are awesome.

Why dont you and your 70% (70% which are mostly just alts of null sec people by the way) go do something about it, go take some null sec space... or cry some more... whatever works for you really.


So, you think each Null Sec player with 1-2 Null Sec accounts has 4-5 High Sec alts...

That's a really dumb thing to say.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2012-04-26 19:32:52 UTC
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
... join/found a 0.0 corp and enjoy the higher profits that go along with the increased effort involved for you and your corp mates.



That's kind of the point.

But if you want lower effort just join an existing corp. Or, stay in High Sec and accept lower profits. I honestly can't see what part of this could be confusing or considered broken.


Why do Null Pets need High Sec alts?

I mean, don't their dear leaders share?

No, no the dear leaders most definitely do not share.
Tinnin Sylph
Perkone
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-04-26 19:34:34 UTC
Mittens gives us an generous allowance in the form of free Rifters.

Heh.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#64 - 2012-04-26 19:38:46 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:


You null sec nutbars really can't see the forest for the trees. You will wipe out the subscription base. But you just don't care about that. You would be quite happy to see half of the current subscription base in the game, with no high sec at all.


Welp, the Goon's stated goal is to ruin every MMO.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#65 - 2012-04-26 19:41:19 UTC
I am unable to read anything in this entire thread whilst maintaining a semblance of sanity.

To make matters worse, I'm clean out of popcorn.

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-04-26 20:07:29 UTC
I'm a loner, thats the way I like to roll, never did incursions, won't miss them. All they ever did for me is make me change the area I'm operating out of for a week or so. That said, if you do make Hisec too boring, (I know, it already is to you, we aren't talking about you) and futile I'll find another game and I imagine I won't be alone in that.
Whambot
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-04-26 20:32:04 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mark Androcius wrote:

Having a life besides EVE, meaning casual play, meaning less then 2 hours per day.
Didn't say you were wrong though, only said that there are people who do not WANT to join any of the currently running null sec corporations.

Then those people lose out, simple as that. Their a re plenty of null sec renting corps that expect NOTHING from a member but the isk from the bounties of the rats you kill (or a fixed fee if you are an industiralist). Perfect situation for someone with only a couple hours to play. Heck, there are even NPC null sec allainces that kind of do the same thing if you don't want to leave your stuff in a conquerable station.


Expect NOTHING from a member except your ISK....good point who needs ISK anyway? Roll

I have no problem with null/low having more ISK potential than high sec, but when has highsec ever been able to earn as much as low/null? The problem is recent idea that being able to make any ISK in highsec is BLASPHEMY and somehow mining, marketing, trading, hauling, the professions that actually MAKE this game a sandbox have become "carebear"

Quote:

But if you jjust have to have the safety of high sec, you should understand that that (like everything) comes at a cost, the cost being lower profits. I think EVE high sec dwellers are some of the most coddled and spoiled people in gaming and that's saying something.


I love this high-sec hatred. Nerd rage much? Seriously you'd think high seccers were asking for tech moons in Jita for the amount of hatred you see. Credit GSF propaganda though for rallying these basement dwellers into such a frenzy you'd think my miner bent over and **** all over Venal
BTW if you need more coddling look at ANY other MMO on the market right now P
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-04-26 20:35:35 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
I am speaking to the null sec zealots in-game plus the faction within the CCP dev/content community.
Well, you got what you wanted. Another massive transfer of wealth from high sec income to null sec.

Best guess after the devastation of the VG's, is we are looking at Incursion ISK injected in the game go from 9 Trillion/month to about 3-4 Trillion, once people have fully figured them out. An immense nerf.

Meantime, the bounties on all Drone missions equals new ISK from the Drone Regions.
High sec missions drone bounties will be less far far than the reduction in high sec Incursion Payouts, while the Drone Regions are a substantial new ISK flow.

Let's see what the May numbers look like when CCP does it's tweeets at end of May.
Let's see how close I am in my estimates.

I am banking on 3.5 trillion ISK injection from Incursions, and about 28-30 trillion from rest of the game.
Total reduction of ISK/month will be in the 1-2 trillion range tops, with a much larger percentage being generated from null.

You just keep pounding away through the CSM and with direct conversations with Soundwave and his cadre.
Pretty soon you will get what you want, high sec space devoid of any income potential.

Datacore farming is being devastated in May.
What is the odds of hearing rumblings by June of removing T2 mfg/invention from high sec?

You null sec nutbars really can't see the forest for the trees. You will wipe out the subscription base. But you just don't care about that. You would be quite happy to see half of the current subscription base in the game, with no high sec at all.


Love how theyre qqing about lvl 4s ALREADY lol

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-04-26 20:41:31 UTC
Run HQ's.


More fun, more isk now too.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#70 - 2012-04-26 20:46:11 UTC
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:

Love how theyre qqing about lvl 4s ALREADY lol


Lvl 4s in High Sec have always been an issue they've just taken a back seat in terms of peoples focus since High Sec Incursions we're even more of a problem. That said, rather than an income nerf I'd like to see all combat missions pulled into a Faction War type system. I would have also been happy to see no Incursions income nerf had CONCORD been removed and a way for players to side with the Sansha been introduced. Alas that did not happen so I welcome the nerf and hope for lots more!

Although, I probably don't count as one the "they'" your referring to, as none of my characters live in Sov Null, and all are currently all based in High Sec.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#71 - 2012-04-26 20:51:18 UTC
I wish I could get a necklace made of carebear ears. I wonder if that will ever be a Nex store option...

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Verte Sinkon
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2012-04-26 20:58:08 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
So your options are stay in High Sec and enjoy the lack of politics/risk and settle for a lower income, or join/found a 0.0 corp and enjoy the higher profits that go along with the increased effort involved for you and your corp mates. Sandbox, yay!

This really is working as intended.


You say found a 0.0 corp, like it's a 5 second job, which it isn't.


Well, it was for me!
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#73 - 2012-04-26 21:00:54 UTC
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
Mittens gives us an generous allowance in the form of free Rifters.


This is the most elegant trolling post I've ever read around, chapeau !

Can I apply? (I'm bankrupt)
Caecilia Arene
Doomheim
#74 - 2012-04-26 21:10:51 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
I am speaking to the null sec zealots in-game plus the faction within the CCP dev/content community.
Well, you got what you wanted. Another massive transfer of wealth from high sec income to null sec.

...stuff...

You null sec nutbars really can't see the forest for the trees. You will wipe out the subscription base. But you just don't care about that. You would be quite happy to see half of the current subscription base in the game, with no high sec at all.


I'm just not buying into this ****. I've lived in null sec, low sec and high sec. At the moment I live in high sec more or less because it's so easy to make ISK in high sec. with so little risk. I do lvl4 missions, some high sec mining (in some nice off the beaten track system) and trading... Easy money!

I've never been ganked mining because I DON'T mine in some trading hub system.

If they make high sec less profitable then I'll adapt! If they removed high sec altogether (i.e. no CONCORD) then I'd adapt - albeit flying much less expensive ships Blink.

This game shouldn't be easy mode. It should be hard and brutal... that's why we play it!
Tinnin Sylph
Perkone
Caldari State
#75 - 2012-04-26 21:14:14 UTC
Yeah it must be pretty brutal living in High Sec.

Heh.
Caecilia Arene
Doomheim
#76 - 2012-04-26 21:20:21 UTC
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
Yeah it must be pretty brutal living in High Sec.

Not really. But I wouldn't mind if it was a bit rougher

If I want things a little nastier then I go out of high sec... High sec is just a cash cow.
Mark Androcius
#77 - 2012-04-26 21:21:36 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
I'm sure most High Sec residents spend at least as much time playing on average as people in 0.0. What separates them is that those who are risk adverse stay in 'safe' space and accordingly profit less in return for the added safety.

The simple fact is, anyone can move out to 0.0 space if they want to and take advantages of the rewards it offers them... If they're willing at accept the risk.

This makes sense to me. More risk, bigger rewards. What's wrong with that?

I do disagree however as the reasons people won't leave HI-Sec. I fly alone these days, would love to move "back" to 0.0. But I for one thing don't want to go through the hassle of trying to get into a corp. Getting grilled, given the 3rd degree, demanding API, etc, etc.
Another thing, I'm tired of the melodrama and assholes who proliferate in some corps. I have been in a corp having lots of fun until some jerk joined up that treats everyone like crap, demanding that everyone flys the ships he thinks we should fly and fit them now he likes.
I just wanna meet some guys, fight, have fun, and forget treating the game like it's a matter of life and death...


Dude i love your tone, seriously, i hate people like those with at least an equal amount of vigor.

https://androcius.wordpress.com
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#78 - 2012-04-26 21:25:13 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
Mittens gives us an generous allowance in the form of free Rifters.


This is the most elegant trolling post I've ever read around, chapeau !

Can I apply? (I'm bankrupt)

That's fine, the newbies are pretty bankrupt anyway. I mean to podjump to VFK they need 600 more isk because the fee is 5600 and you start off with 5000.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2012-04-26 21:37:53 UTC
the long and the short of it is: If you dont want to play with other people, you dont make as much cash. Done.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2012-04-26 21:39:42 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:
I am speaking to the null sec zealots in-game plus the faction within the CCP dev/content community.
Well, you got what you wanted. Another massive transfer of wealth from high sec income to null sec.

Best guess after the devastation of the VG's, is we are looking at Incursion ISK injected in the game go from 9 Trillion/month to about 3-4 Trillion, once people have fully figured them out. An immense nerf.

Meantime, the bounties on all Drone missions equals new ISK from the Drone Regions.
High sec missions drone bounties will be less far far than the reduction in high sec Incursion Payouts, while the Drone Regions are a substantial new ISK flow.

Let's see what the May numbers look like when CCP does it's tweeets at end of May.
Let's see how close I am in my estimates.

I am banking on 3.5 trillion ISK injection from Incursions, and about 28-30 trillion from rest of the game.
Total reduction of ISK/month will be in the 1-2 trillion range tops, with a much larger percentage being generated from null.

You just keep pounding away through the CSM and with direct conversations with Soundwave and his cadre.
Pretty soon you will get what you want, high sec space devoid of any income potential.

Datacore farming is being devastated in May.
What is the odds of hearing rumblings by June of removing T2 mfg/invention from high sec?

You null sec nutbars really can't see the forest for the trees. You will wipe out the subscription base. But you just don't care about that. You would be quite happy to see half of the current subscription base in the game, with no high sec at all.


Im a bit confused... This is written in a tone that all the above points are bad... kinda confusing since all the above are awesome.

Why dont you and your 70% (70% which are mostly just alts of null sec people by the way) go do something about it, go take some null sec space... or cry some more... whatever works for you really.


So, you think each Null Sec player with 1-2 Null Sec accounts has 4-5 High Sec alts...

That's a really dumb thing to say.


No, but each Null sec player probably has 1-2 High Sec characters, since you know, you have 3 character slots.