Jita Park Speakers Corner

Before the "patch" Out of Corp Members could access the Orca Corp Hanger while in fleet. Now only Corp Members can access the Corp Hanger even if the "Allow Fleet Members" is configured on the Orca.

No where in the patch notes did CCP state they would change the Orca or the Corp hanger access.

CCP Greyscale


Why wasn't this communicated to the EVE community? If it was causing problems, why not have the "Fleet Hanger" code ready before you take something away?

Does CCP know anything about mining beside BOT mining?

Not solved but appear. Miners in player corp is a big problem because of sh*t-brained community here.

So jetcan, and have the orca pilot empty the cans QUICKLY.

CCP never intended for it to work the way it did, that much is clear. They fixed to to WAI, now the question is will enough people yell that they'll feel the need to modify it.

Thinly veiled "this benefits me as a griefer, so shut up"

You are saying they made the Orca useful by accident?

That sounds like a good thing to me.

I'm sorry but what part of "Corporation Hanger" did you not understand?

The part where it worked one way up to this patch and then changed with no warning or explanation.

It still has special cases for NPC pilots, why can't it have the same old special cases for fleet members? It can still be corporate based for managing the contents.

The part where there is a checkbox that allows fleet access.. And the part where it's worked this way for years with no talk about how it was a bug and would be removed in the future.

I was there when the orca first arrived in the game... I used the same feature myself.

But the fact of the matter is mainly this.... it never made sense the way they set it up in the first place...now it does.

I however have to side with floppie on this one...theres not alot of drawbacks to this change....but I'm open to reasoning.

I couldn't help but notice how CCP took great care not to upset gankers. I mean, it would be a detriment to EVE if they couldn't use their NPC orca alt to drop gank boats for them, risk-free. Why, they might riot in jita and tell all their friends at the gaming news sites. No, it's easier to take away from miners cos lolminers! It wouldn't be fair if gankers had to risk their orcas should their corp be wardecced but it's fine for industrial corps. My orca should be a valid war target but they can continue to prance around care-free because the orca still serves their purpose.

So here's some ideas, CCP Greyscale, since you like to remove things. How about you remove orca use from NPC players entirely. If I can't use it noone in an NPC corp should be able to, for any reason. If I'm to join a corp and risk my orca then so should they. So if they want to drop gank boats, they should have to be in a player corp, that can be wardecced and have to put up with the same consequences as everyone else. If they have to dock up and can't gank for the evening, too bad, deal with it. If you don't want players in NPC corps, just say it already. Stop with these ridiculously one-sided mechanics changes and catering to certain players. It's like you're not even trying anymore.

Want to force players into corps? No barges or capitals (Industrial or otherwise) in NPC corps, if you drop corp, too bad you can't fly it. This would also prevent alliances and corps at war from abusing the ability to move assets care-free. While you're at it, remove the ability to shoot anyone in hisec while in an NPC corp. No more disposable alts and ganks unless you're in a player corp that can be wardecced. This way you can reap what you have sown and be held accountable for actions that are an open declaration of war against another corp. No more corp jumping to avoid the dec either, make it stick for the duration. All this HTFU talk should apply to everyone and so should the game mechanics.

Most importantly, actually communicate with the CSM we elected. You do remember who they are, right? Big election, huge debacle, ringing any bells here? Bueller? Bueller?

Having said all that, I think it's pretty clear what you'll do and who you'll continue to cater to. It's not like CCP actually has a vested interest in improving the rest of the game. It's all about tears, epeen and killboards.