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Well played Null Sec Zealots

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Vince Snetterton
#1 - 2012-04-26 16:03:13 UTC
I am speaking to the null sec zealots in-game plus the faction within the CCP dev/content community.
Well, you got what you wanted. Another massive transfer of wealth from high sec income to null sec.

Best guess after the devastation of the VG's, is we are looking at Incursion ISK injected in the game go from 9 Trillion/month to about 3-4 Trillion, once people have fully figured them out. An immense nerf.

Meantime, the bounties on all Drone missions equals new ISK from the Drone Regions.
High sec missions drone bounties will be less far far than the reduction in high sec Incursion Payouts, while the Drone Regions are a substantial new ISK flow.

Let's see what the May numbers look like when CCP does it's tweeets at end of May.
Let's see how close I am in my estimates.

I am banking on 3.5 trillion ISK injection from Incursions, and about 28-30 trillion from rest of the game.
Total reduction of ISK/month will be in the 1-2 trillion range tops, with a much larger percentage being generated from null.

You just keep pounding away through the CSM and with direct conversations with Soundwave and his cadre.
Pretty soon you will get what you want, high sec space devoid of any income potential.

Datacore farming is being devastated in May.
What is the odds of hearing rumblings by June of removing T2 mfg/invention from high sec?

You null sec nutbars really can't see the forest for the trees. You will wipe out the subscription base. But you just don't care about that. You would be quite happy to see half of the current subscription base in the game, with no high sec at all.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-04-26 16:03:43 UTC
N'AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

Dodixie > Hek

Tinnin Sylph
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-04-26 16:05:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tinnin Sylph
Ow you hit me in my low risk profit.

Heh.

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-04-26 16:06:57 UTC
it's almost like CCP believes that higher risk should be rewarded

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Jafit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-04-26 16:07:07 UTC
B-B-B-BUT MY ISK PER HOUUUUURRRRRR!

CryCryCryCryCryCryCryCryCryCry
Mark Androcius
#6 - 2012-04-26 16:07:41 UTC
Dude, what are you talking about?
Just Alter
Futures Abstractions
#7 - 2012-04-26 16:08:01 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
You would be quite happy to see half of the current subscription base in the game, with no high sec at all.



How did you ever came to this conclusion?



Danfen Fenix
#8 - 2012-04-26 16:09:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Danfen Fenix
Um, so null sec is more profitable than high sec...

You want to earn good ISK...

Go to null sec?


Or can't you handle it? P

Edit: +...wipe out the subscription base? Last I heard the game was doing fine before incursions were introduced...seriously, I've never done incursions, have only lived in provi for a while, and yet even I can afford PLEX. It really isn't that hard Lol
Vince Snetterton
#9 - 2012-04-26 16:10:55 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
it's almost like CCP believes that higher risk should be rewarded


Typical reaction from the sociopath alliance propaganda squad.
I have lived din null sec.
I have lived in wh's.

You have less chance of being ganked in a plex/Sanctum/Haven in the space controlled by the goon and test alliances than you do mining in a 0.5 belt.
Tinnin Sylph
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-04-26 16:11:17 UTC
Also what part of part of "destroying you game" do you not get, I'll be happy to explain.

Heh.

Tinnin Sylph
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-04-26 16:14:00 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:

You have less chance of being ganked in a plex/Sanctum/Haven in the space controlled by the goon and test alliances than you do mining in a 0.5 belt.


That might have something to do with the massive effort that serious 0.0 alliances put into holding and securing their space so that they and their members can profit from it.

Heh.

Mark Androcius
#12 - 2012-04-26 16:16:32 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
it's almost like CCP believes that higher risk should be rewarded


Typical reaction from the sociopath alliance propaganda squad.
I have lived din null sec.
I have lived in wh's.

You have less chance of being ganked in a plex/Sanctum/Haven in the space controlled by the goon and test alliances than you do mining in a 0.5 belt.


That one's actually true.

I find it very strange how people who have always enjoyed the warm comfy protection of the silk goonswarm blanket, accuse 0.5 sec miners for being "weak" or "soft".
Also, when i was growing up ( and that's a good couple of years ago ) a carebear was someone who fought for the "good" guys, not a miner or an industrialist, who's trying to have fun by mining and doing industry.
Vince Snetterton
#13 - 2012-04-26 16:17:05 UTC
Danfen Fenix wrote:
Um, so null sec is more profitable than high sec...

You want to earn good ISK...

Go to null sec?


Or can't you handle it? P

Edit: +...wipe out the subscription base? Last I heard the game was doing fine before incursions were introduced...seriously, I've never done incursions, have only lived in provi for a while, and yet even I can afford PLEX. It really isn't that hard Lol


I have no wish to deal with the political baggage that comes with living in null.
And the goon voice channels, even under fleet ops, sound like like a saturday night frat party at midnight.
No thanks.

I prefer a more civilized game, not playing with socially impaired people.

And as for the sub base, over 70% of the chars reside in high sec.
The hard core zealots want to turn the clock back to a time when the entire game was anarchy, with a small sub base full of like-minded sociopaths.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#14 - 2012-04-26 16:17:07 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
You would be quite happy to see half of the current subscription base in the game, with no high sec at all.

Yep. Nerf Concord too.
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#15 - 2012-04-26 16:18:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Nirnias Stirrum
Vince Snetterton wrote:
I am speaking to the null sec zealots in-game plus the faction within the CCP dev/content community.
Well, you got what you wanted. Another massive transfer of wealth from high sec income to null sec.

Best guess after the devastation of the VG's, is we are looking at Incursion ISK injected in the game go from 9 Trillion/month to about 3-4 Trillion, once people have fully figured them out. An immense nerf.

Meantime, the bounties on all Drone missions equals new ISK from the Drone Regions.
High sec missions drone bounties will be less far far than the reduction in high sec Incursion Payouts, while the Drone Regions are a substantial new ISK flow.

Let's see what the May numbers look like when CCP does it's tweeets at end of May.
Let's see how close I am in my estimates.

I am banking on 3.5 trillion ISK injection from Incursions, and about 28-30 trillion from rest of the game.
Total reduction of ISK/month will be in the 1-2 trillion range tops, with a much larger percentage being generated from null.

You just keep pounding away through the CSM and with direct conversations with Soundwave and his cadre.
Pretty soon you will get what you want, high sec space devoid of any income potential.

Datacore farming is being devastated in May.
What is the odds of hearing rumblings by June of removing T2 mfg/invention from high sec?

You null sec nutbars really can't see the forest for the trees. You will wipe out the subscription base. But you just don't care about that. You would be quite happy to see half of the current subscription base in the game, with no high sec at all.


Im a bit confused... This is written in a tone that all the above points are bad... kinda confusing since all the above are awesome.

Why dont you and your 70% (70% which are mostly just alts of null sec people by the way) go do something about it, go take some null sec space... or cry some more... whatever works for you really.
Danfen Fenix
#16 - 2012-04-26 16:23:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Danfen Fenix
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Danfen Fenix wrote:
Um, so null sec is more profitable than high sec...

You want to earn good ISK...

Go to null sec?


Or can't you handle it? P

Edit: +...wipe out the subscription base? Last I heard the game was doing fine before incursions were introduced...seriously, I've never done incursions, have only lived in provi for a while, and yet even I can afford PLEX. It really isn't that hard Lol


I have no wish to deal with the political baggage that comes with living in null.
And the goon voice channels, even under fleet ops, sound like like a saturday night frat party at midnight.
No thanks.

I prefer a more civilized game, not playing with socially impaired people.

And as for the sub base, over 70% of the chars reside in high sec.
The hard core zealots want to turn the clock back to a time when the entire game was anarchy, with a small sub base full of like-minded sociopaths.


Meh, why would you need to use the goon channels in null? You realise there are far more many alliances/corps available than them right? I've never, nor intend to, fly with goons myself. I can't stand them either (no offense goonies P ). Many of the alliances in null are in fact civilized, and you can get along quite nicely there.

The politics comment...ah I'll give you that Smile

So again, what is wrong with people, who take more risk in living in 0.0, having to put up with all the politics & possibility of having to move all of their assets, having the oppertunities to make a little more isk than high-sec dwellers? Especially when the amount of income available in high-sec is still plenty for the average player.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2012-04-26 16:25:55 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
it's almost like CCP believes that higher risk should be rewarded


Typical reaction from the sociopath alliance propaganda squad.
I have lived din null sec.
I have lived in wh's.

You have less chance of being ganked in a plex/Sanctum/Haven in the space controlled by the goon and test alliances than you do mining in a 0.5 belt.


Only if people fight to make their space safe.
JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-04-26 16:26:56 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
it's almost like CCP believes that higher risk should be rewarded


Typical reaction from the sociopath alliance propaganda squad.
I have lived din null sec.
I have lived in wh's.

You have less chance of being ganked in a plex/Sanctum/Haven in the space controlled by the goon and test alliances than you do mining in a 0.5 belt.


A lot of null-seccers would love to see 0.0 more dengerous via nerfing blobs or local.

But for that to happen first 0.0 must provide more isk than hi sec for avarage player.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-04-26 16:28:18 UTC
You're welcome.
Wai Ish'inre
Abyss Heavy Industries
#20 - 2012-04-26 16:33:47 UTC
Danfen Fenix wrote:
I have no wish to deal with the political baggage that comes with living in null.
And the goon voice channels, even under fleet ops, sound like like a saturday night frat party at midnight.
No thanks.


Your loss?

Danfen Fenix wrote:
I prefer a more civilized game, not playing with socially impaired people.


Judging the people you don't know, isn't that the path to being socially impaired?


Danfen Fenix wrote:
Meh, why would you need to use the goon channels in null? You realise there are far more many alliances/corps available than them right? I've never, nor intend to, fly with goons myself. I can't stand them either (no offense goonies P ). Many of the alliances in null are in fact civilized, and you can get along quite nicely there.


TEST is recruiting!

Danfen Fenix wrote:
So again, what is wrong with people, who take more risk in living in 0.0, having to put up with all the politics & possibility of having to move all of their assets, having the oppertunities to make a little more isk than high-sec dwellers? Especially when the amount of income available in high-sec is still plenty for the average player.


We are also pretty helpful to new players as well. Hell some new guy got a tackle this morning and raked in over 850m, just for flying a free Rifter and pointing something that tried to run away.
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