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Corp Hopping Abuse in High Sec Wars must Die

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#21 - 2012-04-26 15:04:19 UTC
CCP Paradox wrote:
You probably wouldn't be making this thread if you had read the dev blogs and Fanfest presentations from Super Friends. Just sayin'


post lacks content....
Kieron VonDeux
#22 - 2012-04-26 15:04:21 UTC
Pohbis wrote:
CCP Paradox wrote:
You probably wouldn't be making this thread if you had read the dev blogs and Fanfest presentations from Super Friends. Just sayin'

He probably wouldn't - but at least link the blogs Ugh


Thirty seconds effort...

Blog

For the lazy...

Quote:
Q: What about corp-hopping?
A: We're adding tracking in the backend to track this. How we will then display it in game is undecided, but we do have stories in the backlog (todo list) for the character war history to show if the character left a corp at war. We also want to have it cost a little to corp-hop during a war. We're also looking into not allowing you to join a corp you've left during a war while that war is still ongoing. We're also exploring some limitations to joining and leaving a corp on the fly.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#23 - 2012-04-26 15:25:06 UTC
Kieron VonDeux wrote:
Pohbis wrote:
CCP Paradox wrote:
You probably wouldn't be making this thread if you had read the dev blogs and Fanfest presentations from Super Friends. Just sayin'

He probably wouldn't - but at least link the blogs Ugh


Thirty seconds effort...

Blog

For the lazy...

Quote:
Q: What about corp-hopping?
A: We're adding tracking in the backend to track this. How we will then display it in game is undecided, but we do have stories in the backlog (todo list) for the character war history to show if the character left a corp at war. We also want to have it cost a little to corp-hop during a war. We're also looking into not allowing you to join a corp you've left during a war while that war is still ongoing. We're also exploring some limitations to joining and leaving a corp on the fly.


sounds like foot-dragging

"we'll study the issue and make a decision at a later date"
Whambot
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-04-26 15:35:12 UTC
Parsee789 wrote:
Kobal81 wrote:
HTFU Big smile


I say CCP should make it so that you can Force War Targets out of stations. Force them to commit to a fight.


Your OP was good, but this is a terrible idea. Talk about abuse for anyone that dares to AFK for a moment. Of course highsec pvp is all about easy kills so I guess thats the idea Roll
Kairos Antilles
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-04-26 15:44:09 UTC
Kieron VonDeux wrote:
Pohbis wrote:
CCP Paradox wrote:
You probably wouldn't be making this thread if you had read the dev blogs and Fanfest presentations from Super Friends. Just sayin'

He probably wouldn't - but at least link the blogs Ugh


Thirty seconds effort...

Blog

For the lazy...


*sigh*... Amazing that the corporate web filter blocks community.eveonline.com, but not forums.eveonline.com (better than all of it being inaccessible, I suppose)
coolzero
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-04-26 16:00:47 UTC
why not if you leave corp under war you will be flagged so the wardeccing corp get killrights on you for xxx ammount of time

Twisted

al least its a easy thing to add to the game :)
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-04-26 16:19:23 UTC
coolzero wrote:
why not if you leave corp under war you will be flagged so the wardeccing corp get killrights on you for xxx ammount of time

Twisted

al least its a easy thing to add to the game :)

Should be 24hrs..

You leave corp, you remain a valid target for 24hrs.. Join corp, likewise, you aren't a target, and can't engage for 24hrs [ outside of using current aggro rules to get in, like providing RR ]..

Same type of cooldown that happens when a corp leaves an alliance.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#28 - 2012-04-26 16:28:16 UTC
CCP Paradox wrote:
You probably wouldn't be making this thread if you had read the dev blogs and Fanfest presentations from Super Friends. Just sayin'


Because it wasn't just ambiguous suggestions, it was direct information stating exactly what would happen and when....

Oh wait...

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Mara Villoso
Long Jump.
#29 - 2012-04-26 17:03:30 UTC
Quote:
Q: What about corp-hopping?
A: We're adding tracking in the backend to track this. How we will then display it in game is undecided, but we do have stories in the backlog (todo list) for the character war history to show if the character left a corp at war. We also want to have it cost a little to corp-hop during a war. We're also looking into not allowing you to join a corp you've left during a war while that war is still ongoing. We're also exploring some limitations to joining and leaving a corp on the fly.

Will CCP never learn? Do they really get so lost in "interesting" details that they can't step back and look at the big picture? This just means, don't join a corp. Ever. They want so badly for wardecs to work, but they never, ever will.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#30 - 2012-04-26 17:08:16 UTC
What I want to see happen: quitting a corp that is at war results in a cooldown of 7-30 days before you can rejoin the same corp.

What CCP will do: Something fitting with the rest of the half-baked Crimewatch ideas they're pushing.

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Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-04-26 17:12:09 UTC
I dont always jump corp

But when i do its when there is a wardec on


(this is a meme, frustrated griefers)
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#32 - 2012-04-26 17:14:36 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
CCP Paradox wrote:
You probably wouldn't be making this thread if you had read the dev blogs and Fanfest presentations from Super Friends. Just sayin'


Strange I HAVE READ THE DEV BLOGS watched Fanfest and listened to CCP Soundwave's Ten Ton Hammer interview.
The only thing they say will happen to pilots that individually drop outa corp & go to a NPC or Wardecked Corp is they'll get a "stain" on thier record. Be leive me THESE GREIFERS WEAR SHITE STAINS WITH PRIDE
I do also see a vague reference to a corp hopping charge of sorts but about as definitine time date as when WoD will come out.
Please CCP Paradox enlighten me how the corp hoppers ( not the alliance hopping corps ) that the OP describes will be actually affected you... should look at employment history of Psycholic Monk over 2012 for an example of daily corp hops.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#33 - 2012-04-26 17:20:06 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Kieron VonDeux wrote:
Pohbis wrote:
CCP Paradox wrote:
You probably wouldn't be making this thread if you had read the dev blogs and Fanfest presentations from Super Friends. Just sayin'

He probably wouldn't - but at least link the blogs Ugh


Thirty seconds effort...

Blog

For the lazy...

Quote:
Q: What about corp-hopping?
A: We're adding tracking in the backend to track this. How we will then display it in game is undecided, but we do have stories in the backlog (todo list) for the character war history to show if the character left a corp at war. We also want to have it cost a little to corp-hop during a war. We're also looking into not allowing you to join a corp you've left during a war while that war is still ongoing. We're also exploring some limitations to joining and leaving a corp on the fly.


sounds like foot-dragging

"we'll study the issue and make a decision at a later date"


Not only did CCP Paradox's post lack content it fails the litmus test after I see that blog. FOOT-DRAGGING is a mild way to put it on the back burner and hope no one see's the elephant in the room
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#34 - 2012-04-26 17:20:55 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
I dont always jump corp

But when i do its when there is a wardec on


(this is a meme, frustrated griefers)



You ruined the meme by stating that it's a meme. The whole describing a joke thing going on here.

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CCP Paradox
#35 - 2012-04-26 17:49:25 UTC
I actually didn't want to steer this topic to a discussion on a specific solution. It is far more valuable to us (Team Super Friends) to see your own opinions on this. I won't yet tell you what we currently are doing on it, but will tell you that we are (and have) already done something about it internally. So please, keep posting away with experiences. This will help assure us that we are either going in the right direction with our solutions or not.

CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Phenomenon

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#36 - 2012-04-26 18:08:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
D Program wrote:
Havent you guys read any of the Inferno features?

With the new wardec system, all members who leave a corp in a war, will take that war with them, they still will be at war until the war ends. Same with corps leaving alliances.


I think its corps leaving an alliance that carry the war with them. But members can leave, and leave the war behind. I say fine, let those who want to run, run.

But the issue here is bouncing in and out of the corp that has made the war declaration. A balanced solution might be if you leave a corp that is at war, you cannot rejoin that corp until it is not at war, or one week has passed.

On another note: What would it take for an alliance to dec all of High sec? 400,000 pilots? At 500,000 ISK per pilot per week: 200 billion a week. If this was done with a 5,000 person alliance, that would come to 40 million per person per week, or 6 million a day. As most any player can come up with 6 million a day, this would be quite viable.

Result: Soon after the new system becomes live, every pilot in high sec will either be in a NPC corp, or at war.

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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#37 - 2012-04-26 18:18:05 UTC
Personal ransom pay off. The new dec system will require the aggressing corp to pay for a base fee + xx amount for each player in the defending corp. If player from defending corp wants to bail corp, he's pays the same or up to double of xx amount back to aggressing corp to leave his corp. Once out of the corp he is not allowed to rejoin until said war is over.

This does have its pro's and con's. It will make those who like to abuse the mechanics to rethink their actions, but it will also affect those who truly don't want to be a part of it (I'm speaking for newer players who want to learn the game and know that they won't stand toe to toe with the attackers, not the indie types who have 3 corps that they triangle jump to each time one is dec'd).

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Shandir
EVE University
Ivy League
#38 - 2012-04-26 19:31:06 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Personal ransom pay off. The new dec system will require the aggressing corp to pay for a base fee + xx amount for each player in the defending corp. If player from defending corp wants to bail corp, he's pays the same or up to double of xx amount back to aggressing corp to leave his corp. Once out of the corp he is not allowed to rejoin until said war is over.

This does have its pro's and con's. It will make those who like to abuse the mechanics to rethink their actions, but it will also affect those who truly don't want to be a part of it (I'm speaking for newer players who want to learn the game and know that they won't stand toe to toe with the attackers, not the indie types who have 3 corps that they triangle jump to each time one is dec'd).


Pros: Great for all the deccing corps already in a position of unbalanced power
Cons: Not so great for the corps who are already in a position of little power to effectively defend.

Maybe we should address the reason that players jump corp first? There is *no* reason for the defender to fight, they cannot win the war, they can only draw (in discouraging the attacker from continuing the war). There is no circumstance under which the attacker has a real fear of wardeccing the wrong target.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#39 - 2012-04-26 19:49:45 UTC
Parsee789 wrote:

Highsec wars are a complete joke because of this.


They always were anyway. Nothing has changed.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#40 - 2012-04-26 19:50:55 UTC
Parsee789 wrote:
Kobal81 wrote:
HTFU Big smile


I say CCP should make it so that you can Force War Targets out of stations. Force them to commit to a fight.


ROFL LolLolLolLol

Like what, at gunpoint ? You guys are PATHETIC and mentally unwell.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882