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I fully understand that, I'm not trying to say your concern is not valid.

But if this situation involved a lot of ISK transactions/transfers it's going to take a much longer period of time to trace the income from all those sources.

That being said, I'm just applying common sense (that I think you can agree with). It could also just as easily be that the case you are concerned about slipped through the cracks somehow. It's unlikely, but they are only human so it is possible.

It's also possible that some RMT monies were in the mix that your friend was unaware of, which would complicate things a great deal.

You are doing what you should do, check back on the situation periodically for progress. Just don't lose sight of the fact that many of the details about any of these cases really can't be released (which makes it hard to keep in perspective when it's a long time aquaintance involved).

That, and my original point still holds. You can know someone for years in this game, and yet still be surprised by them dabbling in activities like this... often out of curiosity or a non-reoccuring need. Embarrassment keeps them from fessing up right away, which is understandable too.

You know what I'm saying... and that I'm not trying to throw stones directly at you or your friend.

Your economics guy was complaining that was too much isk in the economy.
He also says that goods are not isk and removing goods is not a sink for the isk.

So what about the Eve Central Bank make an auction of of this seized goods with starting bids of 50% the market value and this way the ECB can remove even more isk from the economy and we all win in the process?

I have refrained from commenting or arguing with you on the forums, thus far, because I seriously respect you for this undertaking. You are doing a good thing and have to contend with a legion of idiots while doing so. Props.

However, the response time we are seeing on certain things is a little disconcerting, and it is what motivated corestwo to post. In the case that corestwo is posting about, it took us nearly a month to get any sort of response despite repeated petitions and e-mails to your security@ e-mail address. Having to wait for such a long period of time without even a "we are looking at this" e-mail, while you are posting about the low false positive rate on the forums -- I'm sure you can see how these events make me sad. Nevertheless I have tried to be patient, but now it has been a month since the original bannings.

Also, I know of at least one person who was unbanned a week ago and who had all of his accounts compensated with 14 days of game time for the false positive ban. You declined to provide an explanation for the false positive to this person, but I can only surmise that you considered him innocent rather than in the "was doing something shady" category.

I'm trying to say this nicely because I genuinely want your efforts to be successful and I respect what you have done so far. This is why I haven't been harassing you about hypotheticals like the previous devblog thread. But the case I'm talking about is almost a textbook example of a false positive and so far it isn't being handled very well. Right now we have 200 billion ISK in assets (belonging to around 20-25 real people who invested in the bond) that are sitting unusable and have been for a month. In light of that situation, continuing to read posts about "no false positives" and "doing something else they shouldn't have been" at this point is aggravating. It is especially aggravating because there is no way the lost income from that 200B in assets will be compensated fairly by CCP if the person IS unbanned -- it is just gone, and there is no way for you to fairly rectify the consequences of a false positive of this magnitude.

Like I said. I don't have any desire to start an Internet slapfight or rake you over the coals on this stuff since I think you're doing a pretty good job at a great thing. But yeah -- there are still issues, and for me they aren't just hypotheticals.



I have access to the API data of the banned accounts that were mentioned by corestwo so I could go check if I really wanted to. But yes, in this case I am sure.

I stand behind what I said because it was true. The petition system is the place for you to air these complaints.

"I know a guy who said a thing" doesn't quite cut the mustard and unless it's your account you are not a part of the conversation by matter of policy.

I stand behind what I said because it was true. The petition system is the place for you to air these complaints.

"I know a guy who said a thing" doesn't quite cut the mustard and unless it's your account you are not a part of the conversation by matter of policy.

We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia. The corp is mother... The corp is father...

Repeatedly claiming something is true doesn't make it so, regardless of how many people are posting in this thread on their knees wondering how to get the stain out of their clothing.