Missions & Complexes

LOL, you seriously think that? There were maybe 400 people in 3x incursion constellations in high sec at any given time during busier hours, so a total of about 1200 players. You're going to try and tell me that was 'all the people in null sec'?

1200 players in Incursion constellations, assuming they were actually all running the sites and not docked/ AFK (which is unlikely), is about 3% of online players.

Next argument please.

What I heared is, that the payout in Assault fleets is still above 100 mil/h. Stop whining

Even if the sustained income of constantly running assaults in a good fleet was over 100 mil/hour, the smaller number of sites, leading to more contesting and the time needed to assemble and maintain a 20 man fleet will most likely insure the actual isk/hr doesn't even come close to that.

you heard wrong ... a big chunk of that time is spent waiting to have a full grid of active fleet members ... then,, after running a site or 2, someone leaves and they have to spend another hour or 2, waiting to replace a few other ...


one big aspect of incursions, that is so overlooked, is that you need to conciliate different people's time zone and availability, to have the necessary pilots in that role

people hallways wined about how much isk others where doing, but never took in consideration how much fleets had to sit still, waiting for a logi or a fc, not doing anything else but chit chatting.

incursions were already nerfed due to player over contest or logi / DPS/ fc availability / bottlenecks and fleets having to sit in they're ass, waiting for considerable time.




yes, having to coordinate 20 people with different schedules, makes it that it doesn't even come close to that ... actually, you're lucky if you have you're fleet rolling in the hour that you start gathering people.

A maximum pimped out Nightmare fleet (50Bn+ fleet) MIGHT get at best, 80M/h in Null/Low doing Assault sites, they're not going to replace Vanguards at all.

You guys count the 2500 ISK/ LP when you do Incursion sites, because I saw people converting them to CN LP to buy Ammo off it.

I love these cookie cutter arguments that require no thought.

Some seem not to understand that by nerfing highsec, many will still not go to null. If people don't want to be somewhere, then they simply wont go there. Others especially will not move to null, now that they can not afford their loses. Some alliances after all do not have ship replacement programs, and others, even some of the major alliances, have restrictive ship replacement programs.

And for those that say null is empty: well I think you are simply in the wrong region, or your alliance has set so many people blue that you have to travel vast distances to get a fight. In either case you've the tools to change things. You can reset standings or deploy. People that say there are no fights in null are under rocks, in back ally systems probably running anoms.

Instead of asking for changes to incursions, or other PvE activities, I for one hope that CCP comes out with another lucrative group PvE activity, something new and fresh, that is decently entertaining, requires friends to work together and provide enough ISK that it isn't a waste of time.