Science & Industry

Again, you seem to be avoiding the questions.

I'm just going to assume it's because you know you're fabricating nonsense.

Do you not see what you did there?

You:

-Asked which part was fabricated
-Glossed over the inconvenient facts
-Proceeded with alarmist speculation which you have no evidence to support.

This is "fabrication". You have absolutely zero evidence that there are any illegitimate BPOs in the wild, so at best you just suggest that there "might" be. Here, other people can play, too.

We know that some people have illegitimately purchased ISK via RMT. Sure, a lot of that isk has been deleted and wallets have been set negative, but how much other illegitimate isk is still out there? Who knows?

Has Brewlar Kuvakei participated in RMT? I'm just asking the hard questions here, guys!

Where the BPOs came from is irrelevant at this point in time.

They are in the game and many players have made substantial investments to obtain them.

Do you plan to punish long term industrialist today because some else may or may not have "cheated" years ago?

If your problem with T2 BPOs is the affect that they have on the market (a valid complaint in some markets) then propose a solution to THAT problem . . . a couple of ideas that have been floating around over the years.

1) Skills that effectively increase the ME and PE of T2 production At level 5 they would shift the effective ME/PE from a standard BPC from -4/-4 to +1/+1.

2) Increase the build/invention time of T2 items by an order of magnitude. This will reduce the ability of T2 BPOs to "fill" the market and have lots of other "interesting" effects. Hello 5 Mil ISK Cap Recharger II?

3) Allow T1 BPC ME/PE to have an affect on the T2 ME/PE.


-FM

kugutsumen

funny how what... five, six YEARS after the fact and you still cant say his name on the forums
lol CCP isnt petty at all

Generally, as a game developer you fall back on the phrase "things may change". There's no contract that things will never change or are set in stone.

But they could at least whittle away at the issue.

- Allow the ME of the T1 BPC used in invention to affect the T2 BPC such as "T2 ME=Sqrt(T1 ME)-5".
- Increase the supply of datacores (lowering prices, decreasing the cost advantage).
- Change decryptors to be used up in a percentage-basis, or increase the drop rate to lower prices.
- Change the invention process to produce T2 BPCs with more runs.
- Change the invention process to allow batch invention.

I don't see removal ever happening. But one possible approach would be to say "all T2 BPO owners will have their BPOs exchanged for a stack of invented T2 BPCs equating to N years of production".

Problem is any nerf/removal to the massively OP BPO's and owners will cry. Hey but they ''hardly effect the market'' anyway right so don't cry so bad.

Naw I was quoting crap, it flies from T2BPO supporters non stop.

Please dont even try to understand why they say that, just make them stop saying such things!


You should realy take a look at this:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=98241&find=unread

The only Tech 2 items that are produced by "78%" from BPOs are those that trade in low volumes, and are mostly unprofitable to invent due to the price of materials (the pre-mentioned -4/-4 problem). An example of this item would be the Sleipnir. Less than 10 are sold daily in Jita, and Eveeye gives between 12 and 25 million ISK profit per unit. There is simply to way for inventions to catch up with that.

On the other hand, according to CCP tweets things like Tech 2 weapon modules are created mainly from inventions (between 65 to 80% if I recall correctly).

If you don't have enough profit on an item, move to another one. This is a flexibility that BPO holders don't have.

The last T2 BPO was distributed over 5 years ago. Arguing that the lottery was unfair years ago will fall on deaf ears. If you want to get rid of them, you must argue about their effect on the economy.


Three rules:
1. Industrialists pass all their manufacturing costs on to the consumers.
2. The market is PVP. Manufacturers compete with each other to be the lowest priced seller on the market while maximizing their profits.
3. Producing from a T2 BPO is cheaper than inventing. First there is the cost of invention. That can be calculated from the cost of datacores, decryptors, and the average success rate. Additionally, the ME of invented BPCs is worse than BPOs. This increases the quantity of some of the components on the bill of materials. It does not increase the quantity of all, because ME does not effect any "extra" materials in the BOM. The "extra" materials tend to be the more expensive parts.

Putting those three together, you see that since the BPO owners can bring their goods to the market at a cheaper price than inventors. This gives them more room to lower their prices to get their goods sold.


Consider the other half of the market: the consumers.

4. Demand for specific items is inelastic. Changing the price of a Capacitor Recharger 2 by 200k or 500k will not make a consumer choose a different item instead.
5. There are a limited quantity of each T2 BPO in existance. Each BPO can only make a limited number of that specific item. Inventors can make a nearly unlimited quantity of any item they want.

This means that T2 items can be divided into two categories: those items with small demand which can be filled by T2 BPOs, and those items with large demand which need inventors in the market.

For small demand items, the price on the market will be (BPO Manufacturing Cost + profit). Different BPO owners 0.01 isk each other on the market until profit becomes a very small number and one of the BPO owners says, "Screw it, I'm not going to bother manufacturing any more for a while."

For large demand items, the price on the market will be (Invention Manufacturing Cost + profit). Different inventors 0.01 isk each other until profit becomes a very small number and the inventors find different items to build. Note, the BPO owners follow the cost on the market as well because they want to maximize their profit.

Now imagine BPOs disappeared. The demand for the first category of T2 items will be filled by inventors. Prices of these items rise to (Invention Manufacturing Cost + profit). Inventors will keep 0.01 isking each other until profit is a very small number. The profits for the second category of T2 items will remain unchanged.


Therefore, the existance of T2 BPOs has no net effect on the PROFITABILITY of invention. However, prices of a select number of times will rise due to the inefficiency of the invention process. Who benefits from the increased costs? Moon mining alliances. Oh, those are the people the OP thinks get preferential treatment from CCP!


T2 BPOs are the end game of manufacturing. For players who do not want to fly titans and supercarriers, they can spend their isk to collect T2 BPOs. I like the fact that collecting rare, no-longer-available items is an option in the sandbox.

Disclosure: I started the game after the lottery ended, and have never owned a T2 BPO. However, I do make quite a bit of isk each week by inventing.