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CCP - Why are we allowing one alliance to control eve?
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The Big Bambu
#301 - 2012-04-26 08:37:15 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Garibaldi Sinatra wrote:
Anslo wrote:
And on top of my previous comment, you would have to throw away all sense of morality (if such a thing exists on Eve).

You'd need to think as Machiavelli did, the ends justify the means. Lie, cheat, steal, betray, harass, and metagame to an appropriate degree and you'd be able to destroy the goons completely. It is only when we become the enemy can we defeat the enemy.




Fact is i think the only people who care THAT much are the ones whining about thier Sandy-box (sandy vagina)


I think people care that have the military capabilities, they're just cowards in regards to political fall out and taking a risk.

But yes, high sec people, the majority of subscribers, the one's most pissed about goons and their economic warfare and harassment against them, are the vocal group about this. If a few thousand ships went up against a goon fleet, it wouldn't matter if they were mission fit or not. 10,000 pieces of ammo flying at a ship is 10,000 pieces of ammo regardless of whether you pvp or pve.


I'm hisec. Some low. No nil. I'm a kid in a over 50 year old body with a bad ticker. Sudden booms tend to toggle the ticker a bit but everyone needs a good diaper filler from time to time. I mine. I build ships. I fly around and smack talk with people who spent 4 years in 3rd grade. Who gives an obese rodent's butt? No one here. Not me. Not my darling wife who plays as well.

Goons provide a lot to the game
They provide drama and comedy....they provide a chance for people like me to look inside the minds of people like them. A hobby of mine. I follow them in their own blogs and tweets just to see what goofy things this new generation of children has come up with next that they can call 'cool'.
They serve a purpose.

I do admire what they've done in the past but being a student of trends....I find them trending towards becoming Bob all over again. Hopefully Mittens will turn them away from that state of mind.

To get to the point...finally...hisec folks don't really care about what politics goes on in nulsec...we know politics makes for strange bedfellows and Eve is no stranger to strange. Mittens will put on his show, the Goons will wave epeckers around, all will slap each other on the back. Then HGeddon V will start and idiots who can't read will die thus making it much easier for me to sell exhumers and Thorax's both of which I've been hoarding waiting for Helicity to get off his dead arse and get going again. Goons profit on the market...Carebears profit on the ships...and the whiners who can't be arsed to build a ship or mine for an hour but who want to be rich will continue to write garbage in forums and then go back to EverPatch and WoW where they came from. Love your Goons...they bring you comedy, drama and profit all rolled up into one little package of adorable cuddly podstuff. ♫ ♥ ♫
Tinnin Sylph
Perkone
Caldari State
#302 - 2012-04-26 08:42:31 UTC
Please explain how we are like BoB except for the fact that we're currently winning at Eve Online? Thanks in advance.

PS. Please try to have some understanding of Goon culture and goals that is not contrived from reading Eve-O posts of people even dumber than yourself before responding to this.

Heh.
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The Big Bambu
#303 - 2012-04-26 08:42:57 UTC
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
Look at me, I'm so very pretty and special. I'm a pretty, pretty space girl. Look at meeeeeeeeee.....



well now!...yes you are! Look at you!
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The Big Bambu
#304 - 2012-04-26 08:46:29 UTC
Nope...most of my statement is from watching and listening to older and more recent statement from Mittens on the history of GS from it's founding and it's rise via the spy net and the open armed movement to accept noobs instead of the close minded big ship based strength of Bobs. Numbers over know how....

I see the spirit of that dwindling. Then again I am an outsider which makes it only an opinion and not a historical footnote.
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The Big Bambu
#305 - 2012-04-26 08:49:29 UTC
Shegunna Blow wrote:
Welcome to the Sandbox.

You have two choices here, and the Goons have can NOT decide for you which one to take:

1. Deal with them and continue your standard routine. Accept possible consequences.
2. Move away from goon territory/target areas.

Noone has to go to Jita. No one has to mine when there is a planned, very public event occurring that endangers them.

If you don't want any outside influence in your game, why are you playing an MMO? Educate, adapt and all will be well... oh yeah, and HTFU.

-Shegunna Blow

genau genau genau
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#306 - 2012-04-26 08:50:09 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Read something on that other site that the reason Goonie plan (oxymoron I realize that that is) is to conquer all of 0.0 then quit the game and watch the power vacuum

We're not doing a good job of it then, letting NC. and Raiden. sit around in Tribute/Vale.

It's almost as if we want to have reds next door.



You need some better reds; they're falling apart all on their own.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#307 - 2012-04-26 09:12:25 UTC
The thread title is a rhetorical sorta question in a ******** sorta way. If hisec could, they would, but they can't.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Rekon X
Doomheim
#308 - 2012-04-26 12:09:07 UTC
Goons follow well, that's why they are called goons.

I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all.
ToG
Pillowsoft
#309 - 2012-04-26 12:15:21 UTC
Rekon X wrote:
Goons follow well, that's why they are called goons.


No. It's not.
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#310 - 2012-04-26 12:21:24 UTC
Ohnoes, BoB is ruining everything.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Singulis Pacifica
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#311 - 2012-04-26 12:22:30 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:


Singulis Pacifica wrote:
evereplicant,

CCP will not do anything about this, simply because they do not wish to. They monitor and as soon as the Goons do something that would damage CCP in any way, they would take necessary actions.

Suppose the Goons would be able to hack into the accounts of players and ask small fee in addition to the subscription based plans many players have. Now, that would lead to an immediate reaction by CCP and they would hunt down all Goonmembers responsible.

But what you are referring to are events that happen in the game. And if it happens in the game, why take actions against it? Just because they are too dominant? It's true, no other alliance, save for BoB, ever had the power the Goons have. But it is also possible that other alliances would have done the same thing if given the chance. So why punish the Goons, just because they have become what the game allowed them to be?

The Goons are not the sandbox, they are the water that keeps the sandbox intact. They are the "necessary evil". Without such a clear, outspoken, and dominant alliance, EvE would probably not excist anymore by now. They are what keeps us playing. Either by supporting them or taking a stance against them as you do. The game is meant to be evolved by its playerbase. Just as CCP will not take actions against Goons, nor will they take actions if a large group of alliances do form up and throw them out of DeKlein and parts of Tenal.


Mittani alt detected

Be more funny if it was a CCP alt tho


A "Mittani alt" hmm?

Has it ever occured to you, that even though there is a small chance, there are cases of new players joining the community? I am no Goons-alt, I don't know Mittani and I have no ties to any member of said alliance. Apparently, using common sense on the forums turns you into a Goon, whether you like it or not.
Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#312 - 2012-04-26 13:04:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayrendo Karr
The difference between BoB and Goons is night and Day, BoB cheated and payed the price for hoarding t2 BPO's through dev support. Goons won delve fair and square (as hard as it is to believe). Goons may be huge d-bags, but they aren't anything like BoB.
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The Big Bambu
#313 - 2012-04-26 13:10:45 UTC
so the Nocxium exploit wasn't really an exploit it was just called an exploit for political chaff?
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#314 - 2012-04-26 13:23:52 UTC
In answer to the title

Because you havent risen up an overthrown them yet...
CCP cant help you now.

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#315 - 2012-04-26 13:26:54 UTC
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
ITT we post incorrect information about past events and call it fact.


Everyone does that, even in real life. Theres a reason its known that winners write history

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Tinnin Sylph
Perkone
Caldari State
#316 - 2012-04-26 13:36:07 UTC
Oh that makes it ok to be wrong then yeah?

You don't know what the war against BoB was like... You weren't there man. You weren't there.

Heh.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#317 - 2012-04-26 14:05:42 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...


This game is a sandbox. The real question is, why are you allowing one alliance to control eve???
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#318 - 2012-04-26 14:18:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Lyron-Baktos wrote:


This game is a sandbox. The real question is, why are you allowing one alliance to control eve???



Your thinking is wrong.

Why is one Alliance ANNOUNCING it controls EVE, when nothing is further from the truth ?
Technetium is not the only commodity needed for T2 ships. And if it's more expensive, we shall price the ships accordingly. Twisted

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#319 - 2012-04-26 14:20:05 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Lyron-Baktos wrote:


This game is a sandbox. The real question is, why are you allowing one alliance to control eve???



Your thinking is wrong.

Why is one Alliance ANNOUNCING it controls EVE, when nothing is further from the truth ?

we announce nothing of the sort, we merely announce the flogging various members of highsec will recieve for displeasing us from time to time

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#320 - 2012-04-26 14:20:37 UTC
it would be gauche to claim we control your game, we merely flog you into insensibility from time to time

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.