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CCP - Why are we allowing one alliance to control eve?
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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#281 - 2012-04-25 17:13:52 UTC
The Bees are great for creating content in the game.

What they are NOT great for is dispelling that image of everyone playing EVE being raving psychopath/sociopaths.

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#282 - 2012-04-25 17:43:56 UTC
CCP isn't allowing anything, you're all simply too weak to do anything about it.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Jinyo Utama
Doomheim
#283 - 2012-04-25 17:51:47 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

It's your fault if goons have too much power, and mine, and the next poster's. It's a sandbox. The players are responsible for what goes on in it. It you don't like goons having power feel free to make your own alliance and take it away from them.
Bayushi Tamago
Sect of the Crimson Eisa
#284 - 2012-04-25 18:17:55 UTC
lol butthurt dude


srs post:
The whole point of CCP's sandbox is let people interact. You seek your own little side sandbox. I'm not a fan of having my castle messed with either, but it's a side effect of what CCP has here
tessrgoonssheep baaaaaaahhhh
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#285 - 2012-04-25 18:26:11 UTC
Arkturus McFadden wrote:
If people hate them so much, why don't you do something about it instead of whining on the forums? How about someone like the Mittani unify alliances into waging war on the Goonswarm? It's all very simple really, just takes patience and time. Two traits next to all prospectors know.



seriously, Arkturus??/


do you recall a former "Superpower" nation breaking up into 17 plus little republics?
Those same 17 republics are playing eve and they don't want to combine forces (or attempt to combine) because the CFC will wipe the floor with their sorry arses and then they'll bring the rest of their "BOTS" INTO EMPIRE.
the only good things about Russia are Anna Kounakova, Maria Sharapova and all those Sports Illustrated Russian swimsuit models.

caviar anyone?????? P
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#286 - 2012-04-25 18:30:52 UTC
Jinyo Utama wrote:
[quote=evereplicant] The players are responsible for what goes on in it. It you don't like goons having power feel free to make your own alliance and take it away from them.


heh, you say that like it's an easy thing.
the easy thing is to join goons and "win" eve
they way i see it if you get stogie stomped by the goons Leonidas would be proud of you.
not every alliance has a godlike figurehead yaknow.

dear OP, goons are not king of the castle; they just sing louder than us dirty rascals.
Avid Bumhumper
Beekeepers Anonymous
#287 - 2012-04-25 18:47:31 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...



CCP loves the Goons, they are a perfect example of what CCP wants their game to be....Cool

(Either that or they beelieve that the only way to survive is to kiss Mittens stinger so he will buy more accounts with moon-goo, and they will continue showing an account increase)

Not sure if either idea would work as intended though....Lol

My Tinfoil hat has been sugically implanted, so no,it is not for sale.....
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#288 - 2012-04-25 18:50:46 UTC
They are controlling EVE because they are the only group that is willing to work towards controlling EVE. If you have a problem with them then create your own group and do battle.

"For evil to flourish, it only requires good men to do nothing."
-Simon Wiesenthal

In EVE you have the ability to shape the universe. CCP has given you the tools, stop expecting them to do the work.

I also like how people easily forget that GOONs has fallen once before and not by a massive fleet or bad leadership, but by one person. You probably won't be able to do the same thing that caused them to fall once, but with all of the Anti-GOON fever around lately if you stopped sitting in your miner you could easily get many people to rise up and join your cause.

Anyone who wants to see the GOONs go should seize the opportunity now. All of this internet drama is going to die down eventually and even the most prominent GOON haters aren't going to bother doing anything about it.


Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#289 - 2012-04-25 18:52:24 UTC
In EVE , YOU are the content. YOU are the storyline.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#290 - 2012-04-25 19:07:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Beckie DeLey
evereplicant wrote:
So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?


Because you and your ilk are shitting up the forums instead of shooting back. Duh.

During CSM elections, you guys loved to spout how 10058 voices are nothing against the larger populace of EVE. Yet you seem to be unable to actually DO anything and let your game be controlled by this group that you portrayed as a minority. What does that say about you?

You have nobody to blame but yourself. I hope the Death Squad already has your main on its list :)



Sheeesh, stupid people always hating on the only guys who are actually playing this game.

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Singulis Pacifica
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#291 - 2012-04-25 19:19:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Singulis Pacifica
evereplicant,

CCP will not do anything about this, simply because they do not wish to. They monitor and as soon as the Goons do something that would damage CCP in any way, they would take necessary actions.

Suppose the Goons would be able to hack into the accounts of players and ask small fee in addition to the subscription based plans many players have. Now, that would lead to an immediate reaction by CCP and they would hunt down all Goonmembers responsible.

But what you are referring to are events that happen in the game. And if it happens in the game, why take actions against it? Just because they are too dominant? It's true, no other alliance, save for BoB, ever had the power the Goons have. But it is also possible that other alliances would have done the same thing if given the chance. So why punish the Goons, just because they have become what the game allowed them to be?

The Goons are not the sandbox, they are the water that keeps the sandbox intact. They are the "necessary evil". Without such a clear, outspoken, and dominant alliance, EvE would probably not excist anymore by now. They are what keeps us playing. Either by supporting them or taking a stance against them as you do. The game is meant to be evolved by its playerbase. Just as CCP will not take actions against Goons, nor will they take actions if a large group of alliances do form up and throw them out of DeKlein and parts of Tenal.
WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#292 - 2012-04-25 19:21:04 UTC  |  Edited by: WhyTry1
Beckie DeLey wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?


Because you and your ilk are shitting up the forums instead of shooting back. Duh.

During CSM elections, you guys loved to spout how 10058 voices are nothing against the larger populace of EVE. Yet you seem to be unable to actually DO anything and let your game be controlled by this group that you portrayed as a minority. What does that say about you?

You have nobody to blame but yourself. I hope the Death Squad already has your main on its list :)



Sheeesh, stupid people always hating on the only guys who are actually playing this game.



ahaha thats funny coming from a GOON PET... Now now run along... pathetic..but i have to say the amount of goon alts trolling this thread is fantastic, damn they even control the forums...I guess eve should now be called eveswarm...

+1 op btw
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#293 - 2012-04-25 19:25:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Beckie DeLey
WhyTry1 wrote:

ahaha thats funny coming from a GOON PET...


Want me to repeat that with my NPC alt for added relevance? Although i fear that mine is not as appropriatly named as yours.

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#294 - 2012-04-25 20:04:10 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Redundant threads will be deleted.
As a courtesy to others before beginning a new thread, please look to see if an active thread on that topic has already been established. If so, place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forum needlessly and many good ideas may be lost. Keep discussions about one topic to one thread only.

Shut Up !!!
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#295 - 2012-04-25 20:05:11 UTC
tessrgoonssheep baaaaaaahhhh wrote:
Arkturus McFadden wrote:
If people hate them so much, why don't you do something about it instead of whining on the forums? How about someone like the Mittani unify alliances into waging war on the Goonswarm? It's all very simple really, just takes patience and time. Two traits next to all prospectors know.



seriously, Arkturus??/


do you recall a former "Superpower" nation breaking up into 17 plus little republics?
Those same 17 republics are playing eve and they don't want to combine forces (or attempt to combine) because the CFC will wipe the floor with their sorry arses and then they'll bring the rest of their "BOTS" INTO EMPIRE.
the only good things about Russia are Anna Kounakova, Maria Sharapova and all those Sports Illustrated Russian swimsuit models.

caviar anyone?????? P


and the girl that played Jackie on that 70s show

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#296 - 2012-04-25 20:12:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
They are controlling EVE because they are the only group that is willing to work towards controlling EVE. If you have a problem with them then create your own group and do battle.

"For evil to flourish, it only requires good men to do nothing."
-Simon Wiesenthal

In EVE you have the ability to shape the universe. CCP has given you the tools, stop expecting them to do the work.

I also like how people easily forget that GOONs has fallen once before and not by a massive fleet or bad leadership, but by one person. You probably won't be able to do the same thing that caused them to fall once, but with all of the Anti-GOON fever around lately if you stopped sitting in your miner you could easily get many people to rise up and join your cause.

Anyone who wants to see the GOONs go should seize the opportunity now. All of this internet drama is going to die down eventually and even the most prominent GOON haters aren't going to bother doing anything about it.




Read something on that other site that the reason Goonie plan (oxymoron I realize that that is) is to conquer all of 0.0 then quit the game and watch the power vacuum

Singulis Pacifica wrote:
evereplicant,

CCP will not do anything about this, simply because they do not wish to. They monitor and as soon as the Goons do something that would damage CCP in any way, they would take necessary actions.

Suppose the Goons would be able to hack into the accounts of players and ask small fee in addition to the subscription based plans many players have. Now, that would lead to an immediate reaction by CCP and they would hunt down all Goonmembers responsible.

But what you are referring to are events that happen in the game. And if it happens in the game, why take actions against it? Just because they are too dominant? It's true, no other alliance, save for BoB, ever had the power the Goons have. But it is also possible that other alliances would have done the same thing if given the chance. So why punish the Goons, just because they have become what the game allowed them to be?

The Goons are not the sandbox, they are the water that keeps the sandbox intact. They are the "necessary evil". Without such a clear, outspoken, and dominant alliance, EvE would probably not excist anymore by now. They are what keeps us playing. Either by supporting them or taking a stance against them as you do. The game is meant to be evolved by its playerbase. Just as CCP will not take actions against Goons, nor will they take actions if a large group of alliances do form up and throw them out of DeKlein and parts of Tenal.


Mittani alt detected

Be more funny if it was a CCP alt tho

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#297 - 2012-04-25 20:18:28 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Read something on that other site that the reason Goonie plan (oxymoron I realize that that is) is to conquer all of 0.0 then quit the game and watch the power vacuum

We're not doing a good job of it then, letting NC. and Raiden. sit around in Tribute/Vale.

It's almost as if we want to have reds next door.

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Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#298 - 2012-04-25 20:22:06 UTC
You know I'm certain CCP is taking a hard look at Goon's whether they like it or not. Bottom line though, Goon's have an awfully lot of very advanced players that really do not like them in the least. Don't look for there reign to last too long, they usually collapse from the inside out. LOL
Loose End
The Big Bambu
#299 - 2012-04-26 08:09:10 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
Power changes hands every now and then regardless of who is in charge and how they became in charge.

Case in point: Band of Brothers (BoB)

Some time ago, there use to be a powerbloc that controlled much of Eve Online known as BoB. They were to the Goons as a government was to anarchists. BoB and Goons were the two most opposing forces at the time. Although I think the Goons use to operate under a different name before they were known as Goons. Can a Goonie please confirm?

Anyways, BoB wanted order and control over New Eden and its free market economy. Goons felt differently. They wanted chaos to be thrown into the mix. Overtime, one battle after another and one mismanagement after another on the part of BoB, the Goons won and BoB was no more.

Goons still like to invoke chaos even though they control the economy now. But eventually the Goons will be overthrown by another challenger who is willing to take them on for control of the free market economy.

Power changes hands every now and then regardless of who is in charge and how they became in charge.

That is a fact of life in New Eden that even the Goons themselves acknowledge.



The history runs a tad diff from that

more like Goons were part of Bob then weren't..then infiltrated Bob via a Bob defection at Director/Alliance key man level. Goons said 'now' and the plug was pulled on Bob who fell apart like the house of cards...after that it was an exercise of Goons mopping up Bobs with the very ships they aquired from Bob via the defect...
Someone correct me if I've botched that. Fill in the gaps if needed...
Tinnin Sylph
Perkone
Caldari State
#300 - 2012-04-26 08:21:03 UTC
ITT we post incorrect information about past events and call it fact.

Heh.