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Legion Buff
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deppth
Sunstone Mining and Industry Assembly
#1 - 2012-04-25 10:05:27 UTC
So I watched the video at fan-fest about the ship balancing.

I noticed the Legion was highlighted in red, does this mean It's getting a buff at last!? because at the moment it's a very limited ship with terrible DPS for the training required.

The max I've seen a legion do is 850dps. And that's with faction modules....
Maxine Bellorum
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-04-25 10:53:00 UTC
so 850 dps is a bad thing for a t3?Roll
deppth
Sunstone Mining and Industry Assembly
#3 - 2012-04-25 11:00:46 UTC  |  Edited by: deppth
Well the Tengu can hit 1000+ at a much better range.

Clearly CCP think there is something wrong with the Legion as It's highlighted in red.
Jekto Altaris
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-04-25 11:03:56 UTC
deppth wrote:
Well the Tengu can hit 1200+ at a much better range.

Clearly CCP think there is something wrong with the Legion as It's highlighted in red.


Please link a Tengu fit with 1200+ dps and not a 1200+ dps tank.
Perihelion Olenard
#5 - 2012-04-25 11:20:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Perihelion Olenard
deppth wrote:
Well the Tengu can hit 1200+ at a much better range.

Clearly CCP think there is something wrong with the Legion as It's highlighted in red.

Perhaps they're just showing a picture of how they want it to look in-game. The legion is going to be red. Blink
deppth
Sunstone Mining and Industry Assembly
#6 - 2012-04-25 11:26:26 UTC
Perihelion Olenard wrote:
deppth wrote:
Well the Tengu can hit 1200+ at a much better range.

Clearly CCP think there is something wrong with the Legion as It's highlighted in red.

Perhaps they're just showing a picture of how they want it to look in-game. The legion is going to be red. Blink



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1067557

Nah the Legion is a mess at the moment. Terrible range and very average DPS
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-04-25 14:39:31 UTC
Jekto Altaris wrote:
Please link a Tengu fit with 1200+ dps and not a 1200+ dps tank.


Not possible, but this does 1000+ dps without implants and has 1000 dps tank.

[Tengu, Tengu fit]

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Assault Missile
[Empty High slot]

Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Estamel's Modified EM Ward Field

Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System
Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System
Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System
Estamel's Modified Ballistic Control System

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I
Kisuke Riva
Project Stealth Squad
The Initiative.
#8 - 2012-04-25 14:45:10 UTC
Bring this to your next Armor HAC roaming and you'll have some fun. If you whine about the price tag, go run some incursions with a little tweaking.

[Legion, Big Daddy Zealot]
Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
True Sansha Warp Disruptor
Stasis Webifier II
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2012-04-25 14:48:09 UTC
From the other Legion thread:

Stats of some major wormhole alliances/corps:

Transmission Lost
Rooks and Kings
Adhocracy Inc.
Aquila Inc.
SRS
Aperture Harmonics
Narwhals ate my duck
Exhale.
NorCorp Enterprise

Proteus 15156
Legion 15044
Loki 14892
Tengu 3292

Nerf the Tengu!

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Teras Lakkos
SuperMassive Torque
#10 - 2012-04-25 16:33:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Teras Lakkos
1 and a half working offensive subs, non versatile, silly slot allocations and terrible ewar bonus.

Does laser pve pretty well and is tanky. About sums it up.

quick edit: if i had to guess as to the fixes by ccp

slapping it and the pilgrim with a range bonus on neuts
rework of the offensive subs
moar lows
Maxine Bellorum
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-04-26 02:13:12 UTC
Roime wrote:
From the other Legion thread:

Stats of some major wormhole alliances/corps:

Transmission Lost
Rooks and Kings
Adhocracy Inc.
Aquila Inc.
SRS
Aperture Harmonics
Narwhals ate my duck
Exhale.
NorCorp Enterprise

Proteus 15156
Legion 15044
Loki 14892
Tengu 3292

Nerf the Tengu!


If you know anything about whs, you'll also know why the legion is the most used t3 for pvp ops. This post shows otherwise.
Entrepreuna
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#12 - 2012-04-26 02:43:13 UTC
R&K uses Neuting legions. They play a very niche role. Overall the legion isn't bad. it's a pretty solid PvP t3....
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-04-26 04:41:18 UTC
Legion is crap, no way around it.
Only thing it does very well is neut.

It needs a dps bonus on the covers sub and a 25m3 drone bay on its HAM and Laser subs.
Could also use a very slight grid buff on the laser sub.

There is no Bob.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#14 - 2012-04-26 04:53:57 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Legion is crap, no way around it.
Only thing it does very well is neut.


The 100MN AB-HAM Legion would like to speak to you.

How did you Veterans start?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2012-04-26 05:42:28 UTC
I don't really see the logic here.

1. Ship is excellent at something in PvP
2. Ship is about the most used T3 for PvP

-> ship sucks for PvP?

All three T3s have a role in PvP. Proteus brawls, Legion neuts and Loki gives the minmatards a chance to experience T3 combat while they skill up for Proteus.

Tengus are not really welcome to fleets, but they sometimes end up on killmails when someone fails a gank in anomalies.

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Alara IonStorm
#16 - 2012-04-26 05:51:35 UTC
Roime wrote:

Tengus are not really welcome to fleets, but they sometimes end up on killmails when someone fails a gank in anomalies.

They are very welcome in Tengu fleets. If you limit the PvP argument to the Jita undock the Vindicator is the best ship in the game. Tengu's are wider spread then the other T3's outside of Wormholes.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#17 - 2012-04-26 07:35:30 UTC
If you limit the PVP argument to blob fests, Drake is the best ship in game P

Also, my post had other completely serious statements as well.

There are many practical reasons why people prefer small-sig massive buffer armor brawlers in w-space, none of which make the Tengu a sucky ship in general

On seriously serious note just forget all blanket statements.

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deppth
Sunstone Mining and Industry Assembly
#18 - 2012-04-26 11:14:13 UTC
The legion is dire at PVE. Terrible range and average damage!

Not everybody wants to PVP!
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#19 - 2012-04-26 11:21:25 UTC
deppth wrote:

Not everybody wants to PVP!


Yes they do, but some people just don't know it yet Cool

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Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#20 - 2012-04-26 12:24:07 UTC
Legion is pretty awesome in some fits, both for PvP and PvE. It does lack the flexibility of some of the other T3s though - that's the buff I'd like to see.
I'm yet to see any real use for the drone sub, cloaky sub could do with a more useful bonus too.
re: the other subs - I can't decide on the parasitic sub, in some ways I'd prefer a range bonus, but it also has some nice niche uses with an amount bonus.

I'd not complain about a nice buff though ;)
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