Missions & Complexes

Ran my first Incursions last night, thanks to Darth Nefarious, in a not so perfect Harbinger. If I remember correctly, it was Vanguards and we did about 5 of the easy sites at about 8.7M isk per site. So, I made about 43M isk for a couple of hours work.

Very good for someone who can't do level 4's yet. I will say I don't think I would have gotten picked if Darth had not done it. With the 10% cut, I at least see most FC's will try to run sites with 1 person less in order for the isk to remain the same.

This will force the FC to use the shinest fleets to make up for a player loss. Or the big boys will run to level 4's and give newer people a better chance of being picked. Only time will tell

So you're saying that the design goal of Incursions should be, "Spit out such a stupidly high amount of ISK that incursion runners don't give a **** about optimizing their ISK/hour".

People seem to be forgetting that there is an incoming nerf that's going to affect L4 missions as well.

CCP is dialing down the highsec isk fountains. This really surprises you guys?

It's not just hisec tho unfortunately :(
They should make people want to do lowsec incursions more if they want more people to blow up. No protection from concord.

oh well back to anomalies then, 18mil a tick solo.....

How many losses are you getting?

Move into SOV 0.0, you will get as much PVP as you can ever ask for and CAs still pull 50-60m an hour for me and im not even in the most shinny ship or duel boxing

Some pilots i know who duel box nightmares make around 75-90m isk an hour, they can do it whenever they want, no groups, no moving around the universe, run CAs for a night, pulling half a billion, PVP for two weeks, repeat

its not all that hard

The problem i have encountered with NULL is the logistics if you are not a capital pilot. yes they all say.. join us and we will help move stuff, but that doesn't really happen. I just left Nulli, and to join any fleet you need to have a fleet fit, which is understandable, but to be forced to pay 120mil for a geddon hull is crazy. I have done more PVP with the crew I fly incursions with than I have in months in null, 200 man blobs I do not consider PVP. The change to incursions means that instead of using T2 and BS for our roams we will probably start using T1 cruiser an maybe BC's.

I agree incursions should have been nerfed, the isk/hr was excessive, but I do not agree with the double nerf. Having an increased spawn or a reduced payout per site made sense, but not both

Some also say that only HS incursions should have been nerfed. There is an assumption that doing a PvE activity in HS is risk-free. Not sure about others, but I feel more safe flying billion isk ships in some null sec regions than I do in HS. I know this is region specific, but all null sec alliances have intel channels so the only way to die while ratting in null is to die while traveling, being too drunk, getting awoxed or just being daft

To be honest I don't think nerfing incursions will have such a large impact that everyone seems to think. Mineral prices will not be falling, nor will there be a large amount of subscriptions lost

I will however be closing one of my accounts. Yes I can PvE to make enough to PLEX all my accounts, but PvE in this game is amazingly boring. The only reason I did incursions to the extent that I did was because of the people. It was one of the few times that the corp/alliance someone was apart of didn't matter. It was nice being able to fly with reds, and blues alike and not care. But this social engagement only goes so far, in the end PvP is much more interesting so no matter how nice it was to fly with all those new people, I try to keep my PvE to a minimum. Personally I'll be going to null to rat.

You and the guy whose alts we are. Or is that you too?

It was fun & CCCP made thier game boring for far too many with the incompetant NERF IMHO... I'm going to specd the next 2 weeks deciding if I should unsub for an extended period like I did after the Incarna debacle