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CCP - Why are we allowing one alliance to control eve?
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Tinnin Sylph
Perkone
Caldari State
#241 - 2012-04-25 14:45:14 UTC
Basically we're winning at Eve because we're better than you.

Considering how awful Goons are at Eve... You all must be really, really bad.

Heh.
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#242 - 2012-04-25 14:48:28 UTC
ian papabear wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...



this is my opinion

goons have the numbers: if you have the numbers then you make up a large percentage of the eve player base

at any given time he mittani could say to his alliance and all alliances that are blue to goon: "hey guys ccp wants to screw with us, we will screw with them.. kay guys no one log on for a month"

bam tens of thousands of players not logged on.. what happens? ccp loses sponsors.. what happens when you lose sponsors? you lose money. etc etc etc

they are simply in a position of power because they have the numbers.


CCP has sponsors? I've never seen a third party comercial....
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#243 - 2012-04-25 14:53:03 UTC
Goons do it because they can. This is EVE. The goons are doing WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO!

Eve is designed so that its players determine its direction. NOT CCP


OP, Go back to WoW...

FC, what do?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#244 - 2012-04-25 14:54:22 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
hermot wrote:


Although i must agree that tech moons shouldn't "all be in the north". But it is what it is.



yup. In the initial game planning, they utterly missed the potential for domination of one single important commodity.

It was about as well thought out as the role of Titans. Roll

when the game was designed prom/dysp were the bottlenecks, which are not regional: it was a fuckup in dominion that made tech the new bottleneck

though i'm quite sure they didn't even know what bottlenecking was when they designed moon mining

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#245 - 2012-04-25 14:56:40 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
hermot wrote:
Although i must agree that tech moons shouldn't "all be in the north". But it is what it is.
yup. In the initial game planning, they utterly missed the potential for domination of one single important commodity.

It was about as well thought out as the role of Titans. Roll
Well, you should be happy that the Goons are around to push things away from those poor design choices.
Munba Uanid
Doomheim
#246 - 2012-04-25 15:00:43 UTC
Perspective time.
When goonswarm mess up with the subscription rate. They will be reigned in.
A cyber gamer with a fluffee goatie cannot and willnot be allowed to mess up sony's proffits. No matter how awesome he or others think they are.

Relax peeps enjoy the game
Its a tough universe out there and I love it.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#247 - 2012-04-25 15:03:02 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...



1 - Goons and the CFC operate within the EULA.

2 - Goons are just doing what they are supposed to do. They built an empire, gathered pilots in the thousands, united 7 regions of nullsec and about 20,000 players.

Let me let you in on a little fact...Eve is a sandbox designed so the players determine it's future and NOT CCP. This is not World of Warcraft or Lord of the Rings....

Eve is built and designed around the idea that players build their own empire and make their own decisions that affect the game as a whole. If you don't like it, play a different game.

FC, what do?
Kumq uat
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#248 - 2012-04-25 15:03:05 UTC
OH DEAR GOD GUYS! What will we ever do now that BOB... errrr... Goons... errrr.... NC... errrr... Russians... errrr... Goons again have taken over Eve! NOBODY WILL BREAK THEIR POWER EVER!
Phugoid
Absolute Order XL
Absolute Honor
#249 - 2012-04-25 15:04:08 UTC
I think the answer is very simple........

Because they can, and it's within the rules of the sandbox.

Flugzeugführer
TRUE ZER0
SILENT INC
#250 - 2012-04-25 15:21:21 UTC
Kumq uat wrote:
OH DEAR GOD GUYS! What will we ever do now that BOB... errrr... Goons... errrr.... NC... errrr... Russians... errrr... Goons again have taken over Eve! NOBODY WILL BREAK THEIR POWER EVER!



This guy has it right!

You want to kills goons stop being sheep. We see this over and over again, the sheep all flock to one herd, or worse become pets of that herd. Than QQ untill we start the process over!

One time I formed a corp with plans to build and alliance to kill goons. I even hit 10 members, I was fapping all over the place. Than I realized 9 of my members were PL alts and went back to farming level 4s.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#251 - 2012-04-25 15:22:17 UTC
Because we don't care. Seriously, I fail to see how goons controlling some irrelevant set of regions out of thousands and thousands of systems affects me at all, apart from some little raise on the gallente ice prices (which, by the way, I don't give a **** about) here and there.
TRUE ZER0
SILENT INC
#252 - 2012-04-25 15:33:01 UTC
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
Because we don't care. Seriously, I fail to see how goons controlling some irrelevant set of regions out of thousands and thousands of systems affects me at all, apart from some little raise on the gallente ice prices (which, by the way, I don't give a **** about) here and there.



Haven't seen that shirt before. Where did you get?
Wukulo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#253 - 2012-04-25 15:36:49 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...


If you don't like it do something about it. It's not CCP's job to do something. It's yours. If you want your sandbox back, get your little bucket and shovel and start building. Otherwise you're just another sheep.

Posted on main because I'm not a coward like the rest of you.
Gerald Taric
NEO DYNAMICS
#254 - 2012-04-25 15:43:05 UTC
as already said: The game is a sandbox, driven by the players.

You don't like the "overpowerness" of Goonswarm?
Congratulations - you encountered a new epic quest:

"Build up a powerfull alliance to fight Goonswarm."
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#255 - 2012-04-25 15:49:25 UTC
If you don't like what Goons do you have 4 options:

1: You just do your own thing and keep low profile.

2: You just speak up and do nothing at all. Higher profile and still no effect.

3: You speak up and start undertaking your own actions. Might not always be the best idea, but works wonderfull if you have a large dedicated backup.

4: You do on the forums whatever and in the meanwhile make use of the butterfly effect. Goons aren't invincible nor untouchable.
You just have to have a long term plan and work on it, hard and dilligent.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#256 - 2012-04-25 15:51:06 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

Because they can?

Didn't read all the pages, just had to say that....

Big smile

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Barakkus
#257 - 2012-04-25 15:54:24 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...


Do something about it. It used to be BoB, then they were destroyed, maybe you should mount an anti-goon campaign.
DO IT
I would like to watch, should be rather entertaining.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Tinnin Sylph
Perkone
Caldari State
#258 - 2012-04-25 16:00:28 UTC
I understand Prencleeve already has an anti-goon scheme in the works. He's a dysfunctional 13 year old and even he probably has more chance of bringing us down than most of the mouth-breathers in this thread who might be inclined to try.

Heh.
WisdomLikeSilence
BurgerkingTM
#259 - 2012-04-25 16:08:44 UTC  |  Edited by: WisdomLikeSilence
why dont you just declare war on the goons?

In fact if everyone did that, at the same time, much fun would be had - which is what games are supposed to be about.

So come thursday evening, dry your eyes and dec the goonies. That is, if you have the 300 million iskies it costs (ripoff!)
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#260 - 2012-04-25 16:08:46 UTC
TRUE ZER0 wrote:
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
Because we don't care. Seriously, I fail to see how goons controlling some irrelevant set of regions out of thousands and thousands of systems affects me at all, apart from some little raise on the gallente ice prices (which, by the way, I don't give a **** about) here and there.



Haven't seen that shirt before. Where did you get?


Look for sterling dress shirt (white) on contracts. It was about 10M when I bougth it, a month or so ago.
Japanesse players got it as a gift together with the quafe IV ultramarine.