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suicide ganking question

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Balcony Jumper
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-04-25 03:20:16 UTC
<--- Stupid newbie

So I jumped the gun on hulkageddon and started a little early.... I'm new to suicide ganking and I'm not sure how this goes once my security status gets below a certain point.

Can I use my orca alt to throw catalysts out so i can stay in the game once my sec gets low?

EDIT: I envision it like this....

1. orca alt warps to hulk
2. then my negative sec pod warps to hulk
3. orca poops out catalyst fit to roll
4. i board catalyst and poop on hulk
5. concord kills catalyst


My concern is once i board the catalyst, the local faction police will grease me before i can waste the hulk. Thoughts?

I Accidentally YourShip
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-04-25 04:03:20 UTC
Balcony Jumper wrote:
<--- Stupid newbie

So I jumped the gun on hulkageddon and started a little early.... I'm new to suicide ganking and I'm not sure how this goes once my security status gets below a certain point.

Can I use my orca alt to throw catalysts out so i can stay in the game once my sec gets low?

EDIT: I envision it like this....

1. orca alt warps to hulk
2. then my negative sec pod warps to hulk
3. orca poops out catalyst fit to roll
4. i board catalyst and poop on hulk
5. concord kills catalyst


My concern is once i board the catalyst, the local faction police will grease me before i can waste the hulk. Thoughts?




You should have enough time to vaporize most mining barges and badly tanked exhumers before the faction police blow you up. I would just use a brutix instead so you can get those properly tanked hulks too. Some very well tanked hulks you might not get but the vast majority you will, unlike with a catalyst in which many hulks will survive a catalyst suicide.
Balcony Jumper
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-04-25 04:21:55 UTC
So far the catalyst has been working great! then again... i don't see too many good hulk fits for some reason
I Accidentally YourShip
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-04-25 04:33:30 UTC
Balcony Jumper wrote:
So far the catalyst has been working great! then again... i don't see too many good hulk fits for some reason


Because miners are stupid.
Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
#5 - 2012-04-25 04:46:47 UTC
Orca doesn't have to be at the belt; it can be in a safespot or something. You have plenty of time to warp to your victim; faction police are slow.
Balcony Jumper
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-04-25 04:51:10 UTC
awesome thanks! and thanks to psychotic monk for the monetary support Lol

over the past couple days this has become my new favorite pastime... i didn't want to have to give it up because of security issues
Sutskop
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-04-25 08:24:56 UTC
Celeritas 5k wrote:
Orca doesn't have to be at the belt; it can be in a safespot or something. You have plenty of time to warp to your victim; faction police are slow.


But then he would need a 3rd character for the warpin. An Orca in a belt shouldn't raise too much suspicion.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#8 - 2012-04-25 08:41:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tinu Moorhsum
Sutskop wrote:
Celeritas 5k wrote:
Orca doesn't have to be at the belt; it can be in a safespot or something. You have plenty of time to warp to your victim; faction police are slow.


But then he would need a 3rd character for the warpin. An Orca in a belt shouldn't raise too much suspicion.


That's what corp book-marks are for. In order to maximize the surprise I would tend to want to warp through the belts first in a cov-ops and BM the roids that were being mined. Miners will be within 5k of whatever they're mining and they don't move around much so warping to the BM will land you right on top of them most of the time.

In any event, this is how I get my warpin's in null-sec even before the miners start mining. I'll sweep through the area where I want to work and scan down the grav sites and BM the top-end roids and then when I come back through later and see a mining ship on scan I warp to the roid. I've gotten some good kills that way.

So... a question of my own for the experienced suicide gankers. Assuming I wanted to get involved in hulkageddon with an alt that can only fly Minmatar ships, which ship would you recommend using?
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#9 - 2012-04-25 09:55:03 UTC
Whats your catalyst fit ?

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#10 - 2012-04-25 12:37:56 UTC
Sutskop wrote:
Celeritas 5k wrote:
Orca doesn't have to be at the belt; it can be in a safespot or something. You have plenty of time to warp to your victim; faction police are slow.


But then he would need a 3rd character for the warpin. An Orca in a belt shouldn't raise too much suspicion.


Quoted for Truth.

If the target miner is a bot by any chance, then more than likely they will ignore the Orca as Industrial Command Ships are usually not perceived as a threat to them. Of course, as soon as they see a Catalyst or a Brutix on the overview they will start running.

One good trick you can use early on, while you still have a good sec status, is sneak in with a mining barge while your Orca trails you. Don't forget to fit a ship scanner on either the Orca or the barge so that you can check their tank.

***IMPORTANT: Please remember to use the passive targeter first before locking***

Once you found your target and get in close enough, swap to your bringer of doom and start yarring to your heart's content.

Adapt or Die

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#11 - 2012-04-25 13:12:03 UTC
Balcony Jumper wrote:
Stupid newbie

So I jumped the gun on hulkageddon and started a little early.... I'm new to suicide ganking and I'm not sure how this goes once my security status gets below a certain point.



It all goes HORRIBLY wrong from there. Turn back before it's too late ! Shocked

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Sutskop
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-04-25 14:39:23 UTC
... and those are the white knight trolls you have to deal with round here Ugh


Henry Haphorn wrote:

One good trick you can use early on, while you still have a good sec status, is sneak in with a mining barge while your Orca trails you. Don't forget to fit a ship scanner on either the Orca or the barge so that you can check their tank.


It would require basic skilling for a mining barge but would well be worth the laugh Lol
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#13 - 2012-04-25 15:09:32 UTC
Sutskop wrote:
... and those are the white knight trolls you have to deal with round here Ugh


Henry Haphorn wrote:

One good trick you can use early on, while you still have a good sec status, is sneak in with a mining barge while your Orca trails you. Don't forget to fit a ship scanner on either the Orca or the barge so that you can check their tank.


It would require basic skilling for a mining barge but would well be worth the laugh Lol


Almost forgot to mention one thing.

Remember that once you swap ships, you will have to quickly load up the ammo and wait 10 seconds for the loading to complete. I don't know how long it takes for a Mackinaw or a fail-fit Hulk to go into warp, but you will have to be quick about it.

To be absolutely sure, drop off your gank ship on a nearby safespot and have your Orca alt (or some other hauler alt) be the warp in. While you are in warp, you can take the time to quickly load up ammo so that you are ready to fire upon arrival.

Adapt or Die

Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-04-25 15:16:30 UTC
You don't have to load anything.
You can have the guns pre-loaded/grouped in the Orca if you wish. (and it would be a good idea in this situation.)

Just warp the pod in, board, lock and kill the target. It works until the resident miners figure out that the Orca is not friendly.

Also, hybrid weapons only take 5 seconds to load...its projectiles that take 10 seconds.

Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-04-25 16:20:37 UTC
DON'T FORGET TO OVERLOAD!
Balcony Jumper
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-04-25 18:41:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Balcony Jumper
Tora Bushido wrote:
Whats your catalyst fit ?


http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=1619848

That KM was from last night has the fit I've been using. Some dude in a drake got himself and 2 other hulks concorded by shooting me before I actually attacked the third hulk. Looked like it was a remote repair drone mistake on their part

Unfortunately I didn't get the orca and concord got me before I got on the other KMs, but the salvage was nice

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
It all goes HORRIBLY wrong from there. Turn back before it's too late !


I know it's going to be hard once my sec gets below a certain point... but I seriously can't stop doing it. It's addicting! Not to mention the hate mails and threats are fueling me..

I've even started using a scamming alt to fund my efforts... it's like after 4 years in EvE as a carebear, I've decided to break bad and now I can't stop! All I can think about is how to take it to the next level of viciousness

Quote:
It would require basic skilling for a mining barge but would well be worth the laugh


Ya.. I don't have any mining skills, but i like the idea! I could show up in a rokh or osprey probably. Actually, using an osprey to suicide gank could be fun..

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Remember that once you swap ships, you will have to quickly load up the ammo and wait 10 seconds for the loading to complete.


Yea so far I haven't had to do this. I keep about 240 units of Void S loaded in the blasters. I usually heat up, then warp in... one thing I keep forgetting to do is use my blasters first instead of the point and I keep forgetting to bring my drone out



Also, I'm thinking about switching to thrashers. Some EFT warrior'ing using the "buffer" setting in the DPS graph has lead me to believe that I can probably get almost as much damage from a coercer or a thrasher. The thrasher is much cheaper though. I think the catalyst still wins by 10dps from the drone.
Aebe Amraen
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#17 - 2012-04-25 18:45:57 UTC
Balcony Jumper wrote:
I keep about 240 units of Void S loaded in the blasters.


You're wasting ammo. You only need a few rounds--closer to 24 units than 240.
Balcony Jumper
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-04-25 18:48:56 UTC
Aebe Amraen wrote:
Balcony Jumper wrote:
I keep about 240 units of Void S loaded in the blasters.


You're wasting ammo. You only need a few rounds--closer to 24 units than 240.

Oh it was 240 units total, I only have 30 units per gun, but ya I should probably cut it back a little still.
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#19 - 2012-04-26 09:50:10 UTC
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Balcony Jumper wrote:
So far the catalyst has been working great! then again... i don't see too many good hulk fits for some reason


Because miners are stupid.


Ignorant and lazy, more than stupid. They usually just sit on their high horses thinking they don't have to (or shouldn't have to) understand mechanics they are not interested in. P

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.

AstarothPrime
Pecunia Infinita
#20 - 2012-04-26 11:55:47 UTC
Just remind me how does orca poop combat ships once again?

I.
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