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Open letter to Concord // Adressed To CEO Panaja Paukonsuo, or whom it may concern within Concord.

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Codo Yagari
Carmine Industries
#1 - 2012-04-25 08:56:33 UTC
Hail Panajda Paukonsuo / Concord.

This letter is a query if Concord plans to increase security in the Jita solarsystem based on the threats of the major pirate organisation "Goonswarm" that they will "Burn Jita" on 28th April YC114? Considering experiences in the past involving suicide attacks etc, it would seem a very good idea to do this. Have you considered to flag the entire Goonswarm pirate organization as Outlaws prior to the event?

Thankyou for your response.


Honour and Decency

Codo Yagari
Yulai Federation Executor
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#2 - 2012-04-25 11:22:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
CONCORD will likely be as vigilant as ever in a purely reactive basis for this event. Security levels come with significant costs for both the sovereignty holder and CONCORD itself, and any increases would come with an increase to that cost. Considering Jita's importance, there is merit to raising that level, but I worry about the implications of setting that sort of precedent.

Should we carry the tax burden of higher security level simply because a system experiences higher piracy? Should 'highway bottleneck' systems such as Uedama and Niarja be increased in security level? Should we further expand the purview of CONCORD into high traffic low-security systems such as Tama, Amamake, or the Rancer pocket? All of these systems have experienced consistently high rates of piracy.

Katrina Oniseki

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#3 - 2012-04-25 11:42:11 UTC
You place entirely too much trust in CONCORD to keep you safe.
Lucius Vindictus
Arachnos
#4 - 2012-04-25 11:59:06 UTC
How often do pirates and terrorists have the decency to announce their attacks in advance? Anyone who still doesn't prepare needs a lesson instead of special protection.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#5 - 2012-04-25 12:04:45 UTC
Lucius raises an entirely valid point. The Goons will be attacking capsuleer targets, and they've announced it well in advance. If the capsuleers who usually frequent Jita clear out or simply stay docked, there won't be anything for the Goons to burn.

You can bet only one percent of the people in Jita will actually take precautions though.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2012-04-25 12:47:52 UTC
Even if I do not really think that CONCORD will do anything specific on the matter, I fully approve the content of the letter.

Katrina Oniseki wrote:
CONCORD will likely be as vigilant as ever in a purely reactive basis for this event. Security levels come with significant costs for both the sovereignty holder and CONCORD itself, and any increases would come with an increase to that cost. Considering Jita's importance, there is merit to raising that level, but I worry about the implications of setting that sort of precedent.

Should we carry the tax burden of higher security level simply because a system experiences higher piracy? Should 'highway bottleneck' systems such as Uedama and Niarja be increased in security level? Should we further expand the purview of CONCORD into high traffic low-security systems such as Tama, Amamake, or the Rancer pocket? All of these systems have experienced consistently high rates of piracy.


It is always a question of investment. More tax invests to develop specific areas or bolstering economy, or doing nothing. Invest more for a few day in terms of security and you help Jita to produce more wealth.

Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
You place entirely too much trust in CONCORD to keep you safe.


Until now I do not see any particular reason to complain for high security areas like Jita.

Lucius Vindictus wrote:
How often do pirates and terrorists have the decency to announce their attacks in advance? Anyone who still doesn't prepare needs a lesson instead of special protection.


Rek Jaiga wrote:
Lucius raises an entirely valid point. The Goons will be attacking capsuleer targets, and they've announced it well in advance. If the capsuleers who usually frequent Jita clear out or simply stay docked, there won't be anything for the Goons to burn.

You can bet only one percent of the people in Jita will actually take precautions though.


This assumes that everyone is knowlegeable of the fact, which is far from being the case. Thinking otherwise is pure utopy. Also, the economical consequences still remain.

And eventually, ethics.
Lucius Vindictus
Arachnos
#7 - 2012-04-25 14:03:52 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
This assumes that everyone is knowlegeable of the fact, which is far from being the case. Thinking otherwise is pure utopy. Also, the economical consequences still remain.


A barbarian Horde is a hard thing to miss, even without the luxury of a publicly announcement. And the economical consequences shouldn't be all bad. A massacre can be good for business.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-04-25 14:18:10 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:


You can bet only one percent of the people in Jita will actually take precautions though.


You can also bet only 1% of capsuleers care about their antics.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#9 - 2012-04-25 14:22:28 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Rek Jaiga wrote:


You can bet only one percent of the people in Jita will actually take precautions though.


You can also bet only 1% of capsuleers care about their antics.


I'd wager that the number's a bit higher than 1%, Silas.

Once you take into account those who care about their antics in a reactive sense, after they've been the victim of it.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Leeroy McJenkins
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-04-25 16:42:55 UTC
Codo Yagari wrote:
Hail Panajda Paukonsuo / Concord.

This letter is a query if Concord plans to increase security in the Jita solarsystem based on the threats of the major pirate organisation "Goonswarm" that they will "Burn Jita" on 28th April YC114? Considering experiences in the past involving suicide attacks etc, it would seem a very good idea to do this. Have you considered to flag the entire Goonswarm pirate organization as Outlaws prior to the event?

Thankyou for your response.


Honour and Decency

Codo Yagari
Yulai Federation Executor


We are a sovereign entity, it would be unusual for CONCORD to outlaw a sovereign state as that would be beyond its scope. Whether your particular organization views us as pirates (which I suspect you do) is meaningless to CONCORD as your organization has no official authority to act above sovereigns.

I Don't play EVE

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2012-04-25 17:52:54 UTC
Lucius Vindictus wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
This assumes that everyone is knowlegeable of the fact, which is far from being the case. Thinking otherwise is pure utopy. Also, the economical consequences still remain.


A barbarian Horde is a hard thing to miss, even without the luxury of a publicly announcement. And the economical consequences shouldn't be all bad. A massacre can be good for business.


It is also okay not to build any safeguards or walls on catwalks or in magrail stations, because a pit or railroads are hard to miss ?
Myxx
The Scope
#12 - 2012-04-25 17:54:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Myxx
I have it on good authority that the answer is "no". I suggest you don't jump into or near Jita this weekend, its the easiest form of precaution you can take. Go to Amarr, or Rens, or Dodixie... just stay away from jita. It isnt hard, infact its probably more likely than not, common sense. You don't need to be in Jita... for anything, ESPECIALLY on a weekend.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#13 - 2012-04-25 21:24:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ValentinaDLM
Rumor has it capsuleers catering to industrialists and miners are setting up an alternate trade hub at Amamake top belt this on that weekend. From my understanding you goto top belt message heretic army with what you want and those friendly delivery people will come supply you with what you need. This avoids the dangers with docking and undocking that make Jita so unsafe.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#14 - 2012-04-26 06:52:20 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
Rumor has it capsuleers catering to industrialists and miners are setting up an alternate trade hub at Amamake top belt this on that weekend. From my understanding you goto top belt message heretic army with what you want and those friendly delivery people will come supply you with what you need. This avoids the dangers with docking and undocking that make Jita so unsafe.



Apparently your time with the meat drones totally depleted your humor implants. Roll

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-04-26 07:06:44 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
Rumor has it capsuleers catering to industrialists and miners are setting up an alternate trade hub at Amamake top belt this on that weekend. From my understanding you goto top belt message heretic army with what you want and those friendly delivery people will come supply you with what you need. This avoids the dangers with docking and undocking that make Jita so unsafe.


This would probably have been a heck of a lot funnier if you hadn't chosen a system a hair's length away from Rens.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#16 - 2012-04-26 08:33:28 UTC
Leeroy McJenkins wrote:
Codo Yagari wrote:
Hail Panajda Paukonsuo / Concord.

This letter is a query if Concord plans to increase security in the Jita solarsystem based on the threats of the major pirate organisation "Goonswarm" that they will "Burn Jita" on 28th April YC114? Considering experiences in the past involving suicide attacks etc, it would seem a very good idea to do this. Have you considered to flag the entire Goonswarm pirate organization as Outlaws prior to the event?

Thankyou for your response.


Honour and Decency

Codo Yagari
Yulai Federation Executor


We are a sovereign entity, it would be unusual for CONCORD to outlaw a sovereign state as that would be beyond its scope. Whether your particular organization views us as pirates (which I suspect you do) is meaningless to CONCORD as your organization has no official authority to act above sovereigns.


Sovereign entity or not, you'll be in their jurisdiction.

Still I expect them to stick to their Mandate, should anyone find themselves acting out of line they will be dealt with. Sadly shooting on a hunch and asking questions later, even when it's a damn big hunch is not their M.O.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Kikia Truzhari
Teraa Matar
#17 - 2012-04-26 14:13:52 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
CONCORD will likely be as vigilant as ever in a purely reactive basis for this event. Security levels come with significant costs for both the sovereignty holder and CONCORD itself, and any increases would come with an increase to that cost. Considering Jita's importance, there is merit to raising that level, but I worry about the implications of setting that sort of precedent.

Should we carry the tax burden of higher security level simply because a system experiences higher piracy? Should 'highway bottleneck' systems such as Uedama and Niarja be increased in security level? Should we further expand the purview of CONCORD into high traffic low-security systems such as Tama, Amamake, or the Rancer pocket? All of these systems have experienced consistently high rates of piracy.


Yes.
Leeroy McJenkins
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-04-26 17:55:23 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Leeroy McJenkins wrote:
Codo Yagari wrote:
Hail Panajda Paukonsuo / Concord.

This letter is a query if Concord plans to increase security in the Jita solarsystem based on the threats of the major pirate organisation "Goonswarm" that they will "Burn Jita" on 28th April YC114? Considering experiences in the past involving suicide attacks etc, it would seem a very good idea to do this. Have you considered to flag the entire Goonswarm pirate organization as Outlaws prior to the event?

Thankyou for your response.


Honour and Decency

Codo Yagari
Yulai Federation Executor


We are a sovereign entity, it would be unusual for CONCORD to outlaw a sovereign state as that would be beyond its scope. Whether your particular organization views us as pirates (which I suspect you do) is meaningless to CONCORD as your organization has no official authority to act above sovereigns.


Sovereign entity or not, you'll be in their jurisdiction.

Still I expect them to stick to their Mandate, should anyone find themselves acting out of line they will be dealt with. Sadly shooting on a hunch and asking questions later, even when it's a damn big hunch is not their M.O.


And we would be expected to be treated like anyone else in CONCORD's jurisdiction. To say that an entire entity should be outlawed because of what they might do in the future is ludicrous, CONCORD has no authority to punish any person or group of persons without an actual criminal act.

Furthermore Mr. Yagari and his organization have no standing to make such a demand on CONCORD. We do not recognize the Yulai Federation as having any official legitimacy when it comes to declaring "pirate organizations" let alone what he's asking for here.

If the Yulai Federation has an issue with Goonswarm Federation, I suggest they gather what fleets they may have and deal with us themselves.

I Don't play EVE

Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#19 - 2012-04-26 18:48:28 UTC
Leeroy McJenkins wrote:

If the Yulai Federation has an issue with Goonswarm Federation, I suggest they gather what fleets they may have and deal with us themselves.


This, I would actually pay to see.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#20 - 2012-04-26 18:51:42 UTC
If they put in the wardec right now, it might very well be live by the time Goonswarm shows up on their doorstep!
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