Missions & Complexes

Everyone is back to missioning and that is so boring. You think people are gonna back to missioning after making incursion isk? no they will just quit.

edit: I was told people run incursions because it is so fun to do PvE in a group and not because of the ridiculously high payouts (?)

THE whole of the advantages and disadvantages of the different employments of labour and stock must, in the same neighbourhood, be either perfectly equal or continually tending to equality. If in the same neighbourhood, there was any employment evidently either more or less advantageous than the rest, so many people would crowd into it in the one case, and so many would desert it in the other, that its advantages would soon return to the level of other employments. This at least would be the case in a society where things were left to follow their natural course, where there was perfect liberty, and where every man was perfectly free both to choose what occupation he thought proper, and to change it as often as he thought proper. Every man's interest would prompt him to seek the advantageous, and to shun the disadvantageous employment.

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First, the wages of labour vary with the ease or hardship, the cleanliness or dirtiness, the honourableness or dishonourableness of the employment. Thus in most places, take the year round, a journeyman tailor earns less than a journeyman weaver. His work is much easier. A journeyman weaver earns less than a journeyman smith. His work is not always easier, but it is much cleanlier. A journeyman blacksmith, though an artificer, seldom earns so much in twelve hours as a collier, who is only a labourer, does in eight. His work is not quite so dirty, is less dangerous, and is carried on in daylight, and above ground. Honour makes a great part of the reward of all honourable professions. In point of pecuniary gain, all things considered, they are generally under-recompensed, as I shall endeavour to show by and by. Disgrace has the contrary effect. The trade of a butcher is a brutal and an odious business; but it is in most places more profitable than the greater part of common trades. The most detestable of all employments, that of public executioner, is, in proportion to the quantity of work done, better paid than any common trade whatever.

Hunting and fishing, the most important employments of mankind in the rude state of society, become in its advanced state their most agreeable amusements, and they pursue for pleasure what they once followed from necessity. In the advanced state of society, therefore, they are all very poor people who follow as a trade what other people pursue as a pastime. Fishermen have been so since the time of Theocritus. A poacher is everywhere a very poor man in Great Britain. In countries where the rigour of the law suffers no poachers, the licensed hunter is not in a much better condition. The natural taste for those employments makes more people follow them than can live comfortably by them, and the produce of their labour, in proportion to its quantity, comes always too cheap to market to afford anything but the most scanty subsistence to the labourers.

Disagreeableness and disgrace affect the profits of stock in the same manner as the wages of labour. The keeper of an inn or tavern, who is never master of his own house, and who is exposed to the brutality of every drunkard, exercises neither a very agreeable nor a very creditable business. But there is scarce any common trade in which a small stock yields so great a profit.

After CCP last summer, I was done, still paid for subscriptions but then some friends said, look at this incursions are good isk, we should have done them when ccp nerf missions in the beginning. We can make isk and gate camps on alts in low sec and still have isk left over, so Eve pulled me back in.

When CCP looked at Incursions they should have looked at how they were used. New players go to HQ's and Assult fleets, why not increase those payouts, one they are more dangerous and two difficult to maintain a large fleet. These activities only increased players willing to die in thier ships and enjoy large fleet activites. I know of about seven people who went to null sec after having fun in incursions, who never thought of doing it before.

Because CCP using a whole year or half a year to make fashions for avatars was what we wanted not more ships, not more ways to exploit ship's strengths and weaknesses and kill or be killed. I am glad I can station walk and dress.

At least mining is getting better and some of those guys complaining will be able to make more mining. I want to make isk in a group. CCP why, why change that. Sleepers, Complexes they don't need groups you can use alts. I want to have fun in a fleet, making isk so I can lose more ships.

To be honest I dont know if it was a good move or not, Im not a game deisigner but all i know is me and my buddys would run incursions once week to fund our mains and not at this rate ill have to do PVE non stop to be able to afford my loses screw that id rather just get back into BF3 or something

All CCP did in this case is intervene to move the labor market in EVE from its horribly broken artificial equilibrium closer to the equilibrium we would see in a more realistic/free market - and that means you can have fun or isk but not both.
It should be a hard decision for players to choose between fun and isk income (both options should be "perfectly equal" in the player's mind) and hard decisions make for great gameplay.

so are people back to missions or are they quiting?

maybe we can finally go back to the "move lvl4s to low-sec" agenda?

there is another question: were those people in Eve BEFORE incursion is born? If they already played Eve then why will they leave?
If those people only joined Eve to run incursions then..... noone will miss them i guess