EVE General Discussion

If I read the following correctly http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28587 the Incursion nerf will be a 10% Vanguard ISK reduction and a spawning change. I predict the spawning change if/when done in/correctly is going to cause OTA's to stack up again like the NCN's stack in Assault systems. Appears to me the shield fleet doctorine is REALLY going to take a hit in the redisgned Vanguard sites if what I fear is true

Assaults seem pretty broken at the moment. The amount of rats you need to kill makes them take forever :(

Try some of the other sites then.

Until today, I have never had a problem finding an incursion fleet.

From what I am seeing the incursion "balancing" seems to have gone too far in the other direction. Running VGs (I'm not familiar with how the changes have affected assaults) seems like it is no longer a step up from missioning.

Running missions I can earn about 60-70mil per hour (not 100% sure after the minerals / meta 0 nerf) in a mediocre Dominix fit. The ship probably costs around 250m. This requires no teamwork, and is very predictable.

Running incursions now, it seems I have to find a group with the right composition (I like this). Even with decked out faction/officer fit ships in a fleet of 10, incursions seem like they can only generate 80m per hour assuming everything goes perfectly. This work requires a significantly more expensive ship (2 bil ish), requires coordinating a fleet of 10-12 including wait lists to keep the isk/hr. The risk of loss is higher in incursions than mission running, and the takes are almost 10x higher.

I hope this is only because we are adjusting to the new changes, but fear players will stop running incursions as the rewards are below the risk/complexity.

In my opinion EITHER the reward drop OR the rise in difficulty OR requiring all ships to die are somewhat acceptable, but not all three.

Personally I'd prefer the incursions weren't just "now you gotta kill em all instead of being strategic" but "now they shoot harder/think better". As a logi I was, all to often, doing virtually nothing in VGs.

Random spawns are nice, harder hitting ships, maybe even enemy ships that boost each other (forcing an incursion FC to have to switch targets to booster ships, or the ship being boosted ... keep the FC awake).

Either remove Maro Paolo (whatever his name is) or decrease his orbiting range to something like 20-25km .. in VG sites 99% of the time we are all using short range guns, but with Maro orbiting at 60km we simply can't finish his sites ..

ISK wise from VGs after the escalation .. for me at least, it went from 90-120m per hour to 30m-50m per hour, we are better off running lv4s ..

Great step in right direction, now remove them from hisec.

Assaults NCN's have pretty much ALWAYs been broken: First they were IMPOSSIBLE death traps because logi couldn't go on the Battleship side, then they were broken because they took as long as a HQ site to do plus set up a fleet .
Right now I've only been able to convince a fleet to do 1 NCN & after 1/2 the logi left because it was boring I guess. Not sure yet if the new NCN's take any less time. ( the OCF's & NCS's take longer )

we ran incursion last night and made 150m/hr, change was great, way to go CCP

If you knew anything you'd recognize his corp and know what he is talking about. But you're too busy living in HS.

150/hour is actually low for the incursion he's talking about, must be a slow night. Magnetar system, you can pretty much make bank.