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Petition to CCP to explain to us why Assaults waves were doubled in size.

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AstarothPrime
Pecunia Infinita
#21 - 2012-04-25 08:57:30 UTC
Why it was nerfed?

The same reason ER truesec was nerfed - because its ONLY 15 jumps to hisec.

Oh wait, incursions ARE in hisec, and still u can still make over 60M / hour?
Still place for nerf bat I think.

Lets make a deal -> I wont rant about no alloys in my drones and that they dont loot anything, fatcion spawns suck and that our space got screwed over and out, you dont rant how u cant make 200M isk / hour in hisec by grinding incursions ;)

Regards

I.
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-04-25 09:02:10 UTC
/Signed

CCP I wonder if you went in game and tried these new formats before you placed them live?

I think not.
gfldex
#23 - 2012-04-25 09:07:03 UTC
What does it help to nerf Vans because they got to much ISK/h when you then leave Assault sites untouched that where more ISK/h before the nerf (if you got a proper fleet)?

As a side effect the NCNs are now in line with the other sites and they didn't even have to nerf them. :)

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-04-25 09:24:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
Johann Zateki
Zateki Alliance
#25 - 2012-04-25 09:35:05 UTC
two things:

1. not everyone runs highsec incursions

2. The main issue here is not that vanguards were nerfed that was announced and expected. The issue is that rather than buff assaults as was announced they nerfed them just as hard as vanguards

essentially it comes down to a recurring issue with ccp that of communication. It wouldn't be that hard to keep the player population updated with the occasional oh hey we said this but we are gonna try this now. Instead of We are gonna try this and then the patch comes out different than sisi with omgwtfbbq consequences to the player base.
Swidgen
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-04-25 10:15:23 UTC
/signed

Watch what the players do here, CCP, not what they say. When abso-freaking-lutely nobody is running the highsec incursion sites, we the players will be watching what you do, not what you say, in response.

Nerfing incursions is one thing. Decimating them to the point of irrelevance is something else completely.
Puskarich
The Greater Goon
#27 - 2012-04-25 10:18:17 UTC
whats an hq like? what was it even like before What?
Puskarich
The Greater Goon
#28 - 2012-04-25 10:20:19 UTC
Puskarich wrote:
whats an hq like? what was it even like before What?

lolin at people who do hq's
Lactasia
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-04-25 10:54:33 UTC
/signed
Senshi Hawk
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2012-04-25 15:30:36 UTC
/signed
Lord Angelus Mortis
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-04-25 15:38:30 UTC
So in short to all the incursion whining threads.

What people are really saying is.....

"Why you take away my isk printing machine CCP"
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#32 - 2012-04-25 15:54:53 UTC
Poor carebears, however will you cope?
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-04-25 15:58:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Sigurd Sig Hansen
DarthNefarius wrote:
/signed who the eff tests this?!?!?! assaults take 15-20 players was it only 2-3 DEVs testing it if that?

http://community.eveonline.com/en/inferno/features/ ", while the time to complete an Assault invasions will be reduced some."

The above quote is a lie. OCF's & NCS's have been significantly increased in time to complete

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Get rid of the @#$!!! NCN's they never worked why are they still a painfull hangnail that CCP refuses to pull off in 1 swoop?


"to make it harder like ppl have been QQING at CCP literally FOR YEARS"

I think is the answer

Lord Angelus Mortis wrote:
So in short to all the incursion whining threads.

What people are really saying is.....

"Why you take away my isk printing machine CCP"



Hopefully Tech moons are next

Swidgen wrote:
/signed

Watch what the players do here, CCP, not what they say. When abso-freaking-lutely nobody is running the highsec incursion sites, we the players will be watching what you do, not what you say, in response.

Nerfing incursions is one thing. Decimating them to the point of irrelevance is something else completely.


When "absofreaking loutely" noone is running them they can finally end the event that never should have been an ongoing thing in the first place.

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-04-25 16:04:01 UTC
AstarothPrime wrote:
Why it was nerfed?

The same reason ER truesec was nerfed - because its ONLY 15 jumps to hisec.

Oh wait, incursions ARE in hisec, and still u can still make over 60M / hour?
Still place for nerf bat I think.

Lets make a deal -> I wont rant about no alloys in my drones and that they dont loot anything, fatcion spawns suck and that our space got screwed over and out, you dont rant how u cant make 200M isk / hour in hisec by grinding incursions ;)

Regards

I.


Lets make a deal, they can get rid of incursions (esp now that noone wants them qq) and you dont qq abut our lvl 4 missions while you 0.0ers nom freely on unlimited tech moon income. k?

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
YODA BAGODA
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-04-25 20:16:20 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:
this is a stupid thread

/unsigned

*crumbles up petition and throws it away*



nerf tech moons then CCP they make too much isk for all your CCP run null sec alliances
Byrdir
Descendants of Arkanian
#36 - 2012-04-25 20:48:12 UTC
/signed
Trinity Six
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-04-25 21:28:46 UTC
lol @ people that think tech moons go to the average alliance member.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#38 - 2012-04-25 22:19:26 UTC
Cobalt Rookits wrote:
Curious why CCP hates incursions in general.

/signed


Devs don't play EVE very much. Probably haven't run in a decent Incursion fleet in their life.

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Katja Faith
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-04-25 23:16:51 UTC
I agree, they shouldn't have been changed in null.

Wait, wut? Oh, you're whining about the isk farming in high sec. Never mind, then.
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#40 - 2012-04-26 00:06:32 UTC
AstarothPrime wrote:
Why it was nerfed?

The same reason ER truesec was nerfed - because its ONLY 15 jumps to hisec.

Oh wait, incursions ARE in hisec, and still u can still make over 60M / hour?
Still place for nerf bat I think.

Lets make a deal -> I wont rant about no alloys in my drones and that they dont loot anything, fatcion spawns suck and that our space got screwed over and out, you dont rant how u cant make 200M isk / hour in hisec by grinding incursions ;)

Regards

I.


Does this agreement include the option for me to still rant about the fact that l4s are not for most incursions runners more profitable than incursions?
I am actually fine with incursions getting nerfed below sanctums, I totally agree that wh space should offer more isk/hour.
But l4 missions, seriously?
If you want vgs to give us about 60 Million isk per hour, I am actually with that. But than please support reducing l4 income by 50% at least.
Currently it the balance in high sec income seems wrong.

Remove insurance.
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