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Zordon
Replacements R Us
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2012-04-23 19:40:04 UTC
Here's something to add to this treadnaught...

How about a sov upgrade for higher level systems? There isn't anything that an alliance spends ISK on at level 5. Why not try a Cloak Disruption Array?

Sov : LVL 5
Upgrade : Cloak Disruption Module - 2-5 mi per day

POS Module : Cloak Disruption Array
Must be active to disrupt cloaking devices within the system
Affects all cloaking devices within the system

This would allow cloaky-fags to camp systems not properly upgraded, while allowing corp's/alliance's with the SOV to 'protect' against cloakers. But, it'll also prevent the owning corporations from running cloaky operations within the system too. It would have a similar effect as the cyno-jammer and upgrade that are currently in the system.

What do you think of that? Trying to find a middle-of-the-road solution for those that like that play-style while making the care-bears happy that they won't have afk cloakers sitting in the system. On the side, it would produce another ISK sink for the economist's in EVE.
Menog Fenduro
Eternally Corp
#42 - 2012-04-23 21:03:03 UTC
ah nice idea too and is like the cyno jammer idea
but sov level 5 is a little bit high, 4 is enough i think
Zordon
Replacements R Us
Goonswarm Federation
#43 - 2012-04-23 21:58:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Zordon
The only reason I'm suggesting lvl 5 is to allow the 'cloaky' mechanic for the 100 days needed before the module can be installed. This would allow various 'reds' to harrass the system with the threat of covert hotdrops for a sufficient ammount of time (unless the alliance doesn't install the upgrade in the iHUB). By the options I marked, it would mitigate the principle nature of a force recon to sneak into position undetected before lighting the cyno for 'hot-drop o'clock' ... Along with another reason for new alliances to try and attack sov, if only to disrupt the level that a particular alliance has claimed.

This isn't to install an I win button for the carebears of 0.0 that don't like the cloaky AFK'ers, but to give that level of safety they require after acheiving a certain level of system level. CCP has made enough point in the game design that they love the destruction and harrassment of players in all areas of space. This is more of a pacifier for the ones that can't hack it in 0.0, and continue to whine on the forums (with the benefit of an ISK sink).
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-04-23 22:15:55 UTC
OMGFRIGATES WARPOUT wrote:
[quote=Drake Draconis]player a,b,c-f are indu chars.. skilled to indu and pi... what should the do against a 2 man tengu/loki cloaky gang, waiting for someone to dock off.../quote]


So you have a situation where you have a 4 man crew against a 2 man crew and you can't figure out what you should do against them..Lemme help.

1. Spend a couple months or less and (heaven forbid) skill que up some combat skills.
2. Send out bait.
3. Kill two man fleet with 4 man fleet.
4. Profit.



WTH are you going on about?

This post doens't even make sense...other than stating the obvious solution...please don't drunk post.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-04-23 22:17:31 UTC
Menog Fenduro wrote:
cloaky whine



I'm sorry...there was way too much emo in that post.

What your trying to say is your unable to rummage enough numbers to deal with the problem..so your answer is to nerf cloakies....got it.


So uh which space you in so I can let the CFC know "Nice region...lets gank im"?

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Valencia Mariana
Eagle and Lion Corporate Agents
#46 - 2012-04-24 10:52:02 UTC
How is afk cloaking fine?

Anything that allows you to have an impact in game without being at the computer is either botting or an exploit.

You chose which.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-04-24 22:55:19 UTC
Valencia Mariana wrote:
How is afk cloaking fine?

Anything that allows you to have an impact in game without being at the computer is either botting or an exploit.

You chose which.




Whatever you do...don't mine an asteroid...or you'll be banned.

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Valencia Mariana
Eagle and Lion Corporate Agents
#48 - 2012-04-25 08:30:38 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Valencia Mariana wrote:
How is afk cloaking fine?

Anything that allows you to have an impact in game without being at the computer is either botting or an exploit.

You chose which.




Whatever you do...don't mine an asteroid...or you'll be banned.


You can mine with out being at the computer?

Which programme do you use?

Regards,
Nazowa
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-04-25 08:58:40 UTC
I like the fuel needed for cloaking idea. Especially the use up something from PI part.
Lexar Mundi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2012-04-25 09:16:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexar Mundi
Menog Fenduro wrote:
Hello,

would like to offer the idea, to make it possible to find permacloaker in a system.
People login, fly on a safespot and take look every few hours.
He had a hugh bonus, but the systemuser have no way to find him...

Whats about a "effect" when the ship stands for about 30 minutes cloaked at the same point.
Some interferences may be found when a ship is cloaked so long at the same point

Combat Scanner Probes may find a signature after a time and you have the chance to warp to the cloaky and decloak him.

This will reduce the amount of afk cloaker in a system and may reduce it to pilots that really want to get a kill or pilots that chance the position every xy minute


I find this funny coming from nul sec alliance.

Whats wrong? too many cloaked ships preventing your ratting bot from performing it's tasks?


Quote:
Here's something to add to this treadnaught...

How about a sov upgrade for higher level systems? There isn't anything that an alliance spends ISK on at level 5. Why not try a Cloak Disruption Array?

Sov : LVL 5
Upgrade : Cloak Disruption Module - 2-5 mi per day

POS Module : Cloak Disruption Array
Must be active to disrupt cloaking devices within the system
Affects all cloaking devices within the system

This would allow cloaky-fags to camp systems not properly upgraded, while allowing corp's/alliance's with the SOV to 'protect' against cloakers. But, it'll also prevent the owning corporations from running cloaky operations within the system too. It would have a similar effect as the cyno-jammer and upgrade that are currently in the system.

What do you think of that? Trying to find a middle-of-the-road solution for those that like that play-style while making the care-bears happy that they won't have afk cloakers sitting in the system. On the side, it would produce another ISK sink for the economist's in EVE.
How would this work for wormhole people? I can see the crying threads now.

Quote:
I like the fuel needed for cloaking idea. Especially the use up something from PI part.
As a covert ops pilot who sits in wormholes, I too actually like this idea as long as we either get larger cargo bay or a "cloak fuel bay". The problem with this idea is the fact any ship in the game can fit a cloak. With every ship being able to fit a cloak a fuel bay for cloaking can't be put in unless they do like they do with T3s and add a cloak fuel bay when the cloak is added.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#51 - 2012-04-25 09:56:03 UTC
Please remind me again how someone who is not at the computer can impact your gameplay.
Valencia Mariana
Eagle and Lion Corporate Agents
#52 - 2012-04-25 10:31:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Valencia Mariana
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Please remind me again how someone who is not at the computer can impact your gameplay.


How do you think it affects gameplay?

The issue is you cannot find them. If they want to disrupt activity, thats fine, bring a fleet and fight. But they go AFK for hours/days/weeks and then titan jumping/covert cyno'ing when every THEY want. It's not a case of carebearing, ships don't make themselves, surely 'hardcore leet pvpers' know that though.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2012-04-25 11:22:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Valencia Mariana wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Valencia Mariana wrote:
How is afk cloaking fine?

Anything that allows you to have an impact in game without being at the computer is either botting or an exploit.

You chose which.




Whatever you do...don't mine an asteroid...or you'll be banned.


You can mine with out being at the computer?

Which programme do you use?

Regards,


Hey smart ass.... engage brain before posting.... I know its a hard thing to do...but seriously... think before you speak.

Most people who mine are reading a book or watching a movie... you try staring at the screen for 2 to 4 hours straight for a while chewing on rock. There are many AFK Miners out there...and while they are NOT botting... they are within reach of that keyboard.

Is it smart? Debateable... but the greater majority don't particularly care and will not comment because they won't/don't need to.

I'm sure since your "so high and mighty" that you just "ass-ume" they are botting and want them banned too right?

I'm pretty damn sure since your so dense that light doesn't escape you...that you have never mined before...nor never care too...your so high and mighty on yourself that you assume that if your not at the computer your exploiting....by that logic...don't you dare mine...you will be permabanned from the game.

Good thing your not CCP....because your just an ass who thinks he knows it all. And claims anyone AFK'ing and "making an impact on the game" are exploiting.

How the #### AFK CLoaking would "make an impact" is beyond me....but you go right on there crying your tears.

Get over yourself... you have no idea what your talking about and you should leave CCP to make those calls.


PS: Titants can't use covert-cyno beacons...just so you understand "l33t PVP Mechanics" oh mighty one. They have to use standard cynos just like everyone else.

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Valencia Mariana
Eagle and Lion Corporate Agents
#54 - 2012-04-25 12:08:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Valencia Mariana
Drake Draconis wrote:


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Nice, quite a beefy and angry reply :)

Im not going to reply to the personal insults, as they are beyond the scope of this thread (and board too?).

However, You implied you could mine whilst being AFK. My reply was that, you cannot. You can be 'semi-afk', but you still need to input commands to the client every 5-10 mins. Also I never stated that a titan can use a covert-cyno, I stated that those are two outcomes from ignoring a afk cloaky. (read: a titan bridge or covert cyno).

My overall argument is however that parking in a system cloaked *should* be considered an exploit as no input is required, at all. However you give the threat of those danagers at any time. As the hosts do not know when you are actually at the computer. I am all for danager, but there should, again in my opinion, be a counter that does not allow them to be AFK. So in summary, my disagreement is there being no way to stop them, otherwise its fine :)

That is my opinion, don't get so angry over it ;)

Regards,
Valencia Mariana
Eagle and Lion Corporate Agents
#55 - 2012-04-25 12:29:39 UTC
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2012-04-25 13:02:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Valencia Mariana wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:


snip



Nice, quite a beefy and angry reply :)

Im not going to reply to the personal insults, as they are beyond the scope of this thread (and board too?).

However, You implied you could mine whilst being AFK. My reply was that, you cannot. You can be 'semi-afk', but you still need to input commands to the client every 5-10 mins. Also I never stated that a titan can use a covert-cyno, I stated that those are two outcomes from ignoring a afk cloaky. (read: a titan bridge or covert cyno).

My overall argument is however that parking in a system cloaked *should* be considered an exploit as no input is required, at all. However you give the threat of those danagers at any time. As the hosts do not know when you are actually at the computer. I am all for danager, but there should, again in my opinion, be a counter that does not allow them to be AFK. So in summary, my disagreement is there being no way to stop them, otherwise its fine :)

That is my opinion, don't get so angry over it ;)

Regards,



Again..you quite obviously have not mined oh high and mighty.

###and then titan jumping/covert cyno'ing###

And try again on covert cyno beacon mechanics as well...I'm sure one of our CFC members wold be happy to introduce the concept to you...make sure your clones updated.

Go back and try again....maybe next time you'll get it sorted.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#57 - 2012-04-25 15:25:50 UTC
Zordon wrote:
Why not try a Cloak Disruption Array?


Because it would be a terrible idea that would further stagnate nullsec sov instead of encouraging the conflict that CCP wants and that the game needs to thrive. Because it would have far-reaching effects, allowing a sov holder to turn a gatecamp system into a cloak-free system, almost completely shutting down the ability to travel through that space. Because cloaks are used for a LOT of things, not just sitting afk in a system intimidating nullbears.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#58 - 2012-04-26 15:55:34 UTC
Ya Huei wrote:
obligatory:

Removing local fixes AFK cloaky "issue"



I concur.

Furthermore:

Obligatory: "Show me on the doll where the mean cloaky touched you."

And on top of that, I have to make the following points.

If a ship is cloaked, it can't:
- Target
- Engage
- Hurt You

If you can't deal with this:
- Give me your stuff
- Insert character into Biomass Queue over Arrow
- Move out of your mother's basement
- Take a shower

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

||CEO: Order of the Shadow||Executor: The Revenant Order||Creator: Bowhead||

Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2012-04-26 16:11:23 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Ya Huei wrote:
obligatory:

Removing local fixes AFK cloaky "issue"



I concur.

Furthermore:

Obligatory: "Show me on the doll where the mean cloaky touched you."

And on top of that, I have to make the following points.

If a ship is cloaked, it can't:
- Target
- Engage
- Hurt You

If you can't deal with this:
- Give me your stuff
- Insert character into Biomass Queue over Arrow
- Move out of your mother's basement
- Take a shower


This.....totally agreed.

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Menog Fenduro
Eternally Corp
#60 - 2012-04-26 19:02:30 UTC
Nice to read all the great stuff from the much greater persons here Lol

don't waste your time here, the are all stupid, u have to know, no, u know allready, that u are the greates that can deal with everything and when not... your friend will do for u ^^


the fuelidea is a really nice one.
the fuelbay idea too, with this option u can give different ships different cloaking times..
a normal bs maybe can cloak just for 6 hours but a force recon for 24h and a covert ops for about 48h or something like that

i think this idea has a great potential.