Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Been thinking about the upcoming Goons “Jita Burning” campaign, and while I’m not really invested one way or the other, I would like to offer up a suggestion. Perhaps this belongs in a story or lore thread. Not sure really where to put this, so if it needs redirecting, don’t hesitate.

We have an organization that has threatened to terrorize a major market hub. While the governments in New Eden and Empire space do profit from Capsuleer activity, the bulk of the populace fears them. Wouldn’t your average “non-capsuleer” citizen or business person be apt to petition CONCORD or their Faction governments from these attacks? The target of these attacks is against Capsuleers but there will certainly be collateral damage that will affect the citizens of New Eden. In an RP sense, I think there may be some additional “blowback”, by the populace demanding further action by CONCORD.

I know a lot of Hi-Sec pilots that demand way too much action from CONCORD, and they aren’t really familiar enough with the game or the mechanics to demand such changes, but in an RP sense, I do think the bulk of non-Capsuleers in New Eden would demand action from their governments. We’re talking about a known terrorist organization which will plan and execute a major offensive, why wouldn’t there be extra consequences?

In a game mechanic sense, if Capsule pilots, are involved in coordinated assaults on Hi-Sec Empire assets, there should be steeper consequences. There is a sold argument that these coordinated attacks are designed to modify the economy. Whether that is good or bad, there will still be a tremendous amount of collateral damage.

What if, CONCORD had one very specific JOVIAN Battleship, one which would strike fear into the heart of even the most arrogant of Capsuleers? What if there were only one, and it could only be dispatched in a market hub? There would still be away for Goons interested in these illegal activities to play out their sociopathic fantasies. They would just have to be accept the steeper consequences.

Just a thought, but perhaps the Battleship might look like this:

Name: Lasiter
Class: Battleship
Developed: Jove Protectorate (Ancient)
Discovered by: CONCORD
Modular Side Band Distiller
Intercepts Capsuleer signal upon destruction
Focused Wide Band Signal Scrambler
Degrades clone information before activating fresh clone.
Mark IX Tactical Packet Virus
Destroys Implants in all Jump Clones installed prior to the CONCORD engagement.

Can only be dispatched in a 0.9 or 1.0 Security System

All pilots in System that have gone GCC will not be allowed docking rights for 10 minutes.
No Gates will function for GCC Pilots for 10 minutes.
Hi-Slots will not cycle or activate on Capsule based ships.
Ejection and Self-Destruction system will not function on Capsule based ships.
CONCORD will be able to destroy your ship, and your POD while the Lasiter is deployed!
If destroyed while GCC, and while Lasiter is deployed, your Character will lose 2,048,000 skill points.
All insurance policies issues on ships in use while GCC will be nullified.
All Jump Clones presently installed will have all implants destroyed.


Just a few thoughts, what do you think:
Too much, not enough?
Another stupid Care Bear idea?

They should introduce this ship, then give it to goons to go ganking in. Provide them with one per trade hub, give it concord immunity for the lulz but it still goes GCC and can be shot by players.

Ship also drops candy and rainbows when it dies.

Last I heard, goons was going to bring love and candy for everyone in Jita.

Tech in system would only be one aspect for introducing a higher consequence.

The Battleship idea, with modules, may or may not function within the game mechanic, the main idea though, is how will the lore address a terrorist faction threatening a main market hub?

Perhaps a metric to offset the the amount of missions offered in a given 23 hour period to reallocate resources to combat greater influxes of Player Pirate Sects. Not sure how that would work, perhaps it wouldn't.

The Caldari Faction would certainly try and prevent the perception of them sitting idly by while innocent "non-Capsuleer's" will be killed because of a known attack.

It would be interesting to see how something like that could work. The challenge is to get Hi-Sec Capsuleers motivated to protect the HI-SEC systems. Everyone I've talked to in game seems to have the attitude, "so what, let Jita burn, I don't shop there."

With no Capsuleers to protect Jita, why wouldn't the Caldari government do something to protect it's citizens?

.."I'm telling you I'm not really invested in this, but here's a new thread and long post showing otherwise..."

I think the Burn Jita and Hulkaggeddon are awesome player created events..

My only problem is the free first strike alpha, and the retardo insta appearance of concord..

The whole thing imho is the issue of time and prolonged fighting. We need to reconsider the incapacitated idea, that rears its head time and again..

Current game mechanics are sort of balanced, but the chance for players to counter respond, whether to other players or even towards concord is missing.

What if we upped the hull hitpoints across the boards. Adding incapacitation at levels as they are now, but giving a bit more time for surrounding players to engage and take part in the fights, and aggressors to potentially tuck tail and run?

The destruction ofc is good for the economy, but it is starting to look a bit like a lot of sniper and rocket launcher fragging from other games..

Seem as if real strategic fights all belong in null, and in empire everything is docking games and alpha fragging.

I would say escalate strength of hulls according to security class of systems, to sec number times current hull. In doing so reduce responding times of concord, and make it more gradual. Empire huggers kill pirate rats, and I think it would be interesting if we could reverse the roles and let pirate rat concord, and ofc the tear bringing carebears like myself..

If you were remotely paying attention you'd know some High Sec players are doing something about it! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88910&find=unread

The make EVE into Space Wow crowd isn't going to do anything but cry on the forums pleading with CCP to.. well change EVE into space Wow. Fortunately not everyone in High Sec is like that.

A couple years ago, people complained about how "short" fights were. So CCP decided to give all ships a 100% HP buff across the board. What happened was:

- you could now pack on stupid amounts of HP with buffer tanks.
- RR and logistics chains became scary powerful (because the odds of a ship surviving the initial and subsequent strikes was significantly increased).
- more people became needed to "alpha" targets and break through RR chains and/or prevent people from "turtling" through hostile situations.
- due to all of the above, active tanking fell out of favor for all but 1v1 situations.

And the end result was: everyone continued to die just as fast because people blobbed up more to compensate for the increased HP.

As for your "incapacitate" idea... while it appeals to me I don't think it would really work given how fast things die once their tank of choice has failed. And you can't give "more HP" to ships because it just increases the problems I described above.

I agree with you in regards to Hulkageddon. It has a very elegant "sandbox" feel. It make sense as it culls bot miners, or at least keeps them off the grid for a time, and it also falls in line with the resource management side of the game. The idea of choking a supply of a resource is rather good for the EVE economy at times, especially if your a miner...and you play your cards right.