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CCP - Why are we allowing one alliance to control eve?

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Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#161 - 2012-04-24 17:40:46 UTC
Reminds me of how people cried when FL went on its shard tour in UO Pirate

I'm an American, English is my second language...

Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#162 - 2012-04-24 17:41:09 UTC
Anslo wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...


Form an alliance.
Get Members
Defeat Goons
???
Profit

There you go.


something that you guys struggle to do time and time again.. i love dumb ass posts like this


I really like how people like you claim it's such a simple and easy effort to bring together an alliance of individuals to challenge the largest organization in Eve. Claiming this is a dumb ass post and that the concept is simple and anyone can do it shows absolutely no intelligence on your part.

That's like saying if you don't like oil prices and the monopoly oil companies have created, that I should go start my own oil company and run them down. There's this thing called resources. When one group controls all the resources you need to threaten them, there's nothing you can really do that would have a lasting impact. By the time anyone could amass a force large enough to take them down, they'd be 3x stronger than they were.

A REAL answer would be for all the nul alliances to realize that the goons are homogenizing 0.0 and that eventually, they'll run the whole thing and it's gg for eve. Unless they all come together and ruthless tear into the CFC in a completely and absolutely relentless attack that does not stop across all their territory, they can't be taken down.


You are assuming that brute force is the only tool available. Remember that politics is also a key factor in making or breaking a powerbloc. The whole of New Eden in Eve Online has seen its fair share of corp directors, CEOs and Prime Ministers take down whole alliances in null-sec space just by playing the spy game. Misinformation, Intelligence, building up trust for the purpose of destroying that trust, are all part of the game as well. Just because you control 20% of the Technetium moons doesn't mean that you will never be challenged from within.

I have lived in 0.0 long enough to learn that even individual capsuleers who have known each other for years can easily turn against each other in a matter of weeks for any reason. I have seen players in Majesta Empire (before it collapsed) turn against each other simply over an open position to become Prime Minister or member of the NC Council. And if the drama is bad enough, then the damage is done long before the first shot is ever fired.

If it has happened before, it can happen again. Use that to your advantage. The Goons certainly did.

Adapt or Die

Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#163 - 2012-04-24 17:57:44 UTC
CCP is obviously giving goons tech II BPOs and other items for free. In payment for mixing things up and making their Inferno patch more chaotic. We all know ccp doesnt add actual features so they pay goons to add some. Shocked

I have more space likes than you. 

Tinnin Sylph
Perkone
Caldari State
#164 - 2012-04-24 17:59:17 UTC
Having your Hulk ganked is now a 'feature' of EVE Online.

Enjoy!

Heh.

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#165 - 2012-04-24 18:01:10 UTC
The only way to solve this is to 1) build a BIGGER alliance or 2) an Alliance BLOB :)
Xython
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#166 - 2012-04-24 18:05:52 UTC
Miilla wrote:
The only way to solve this is to 1) build a BIGGER alliance or 2) an Alliance BLOB :)


Be our guest. Might I suggest using ships that require Technetium to build? Blink
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#167 - 2012-04-24 18:09:03 UTC
Miilla wrote:
The only way to solve this is to 1) build a BIGGER alliance or 2) an Alliance BLOB :)

BLOB or BoB, never not try ~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Proteus Maximus
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#168 - 2012-04-24 18:23:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Proteus Maximus
Garibaldi Sinatra wrote:
Just remember somewhere out there, theres a goon with YOUR name on it.

My very own Goonie?
To defile as I see fit?
Oh where are my gerbils and rubber sheetsTwisted.

If Goons were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay, and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it.

Garibaldi Sinatra
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#169 - 2012-04-24 20:20:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Garibaldi Sinatra
Garibaldi Sinatra wrote:
GOON Biryani
Moderately easy
This is a delicious Pakistani/Indian rice dish which is often reserved for very special occasions such as Ramadan, weddings or parties. It has a lengthy ... See more


This is a delicious Pakistani/Indian rice dish which is often reserved for very special occasions such as Ramadan, weddings or parties. It has a lengthy preparation, but the work is definitely worth it.

Ready in 2 hours 30 mins

Saved by 152 cook(s)Ingredients
Serves: 6
4 tablespoons olive oil or ghee
4 small potatoes, peeled and halved
2 large onions, finely chopped
2 cloves garlic, minced
1 tablespoon minced fresh root ginger
1/2 teaspoon chilli powder
1/2 teaspoon ground black pepper
1/2 teaspoon ground turmeric
1 teaspoon ground cumin
1 teaspoon salt
2 medium tomatoes, peeled and chopped
2 tablespoons plain yoghurt
2 tablespoons chopped fresh mint leaves
1/2 teaspoon ground cardamom
1 (5cm) cinnamon stick
1.3kg (3lbs) chicken breast chunks


2 1/2 tablespoons vegetable oil
1 large onion, diced
1 pinch saffron
5 pods cardamom
3 whole cloves
1 (2.5cm) cinnamon stick
1/2 teaspoon ground ginger
450g (1lb) basmati rice
1 litre chicken stock
1 1/2 teaspoons salt
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Prep: 1 hour | Cook: 1 hour 30 mins
1.In a large frying pan, in 2 tablespoons vegetable oil (or ghee) fry potatoes until brown, drain and reserve the potatoes. Add remaining 2 tablespoons oil to the pan and fry onion, garlic and ginger until onion is soft and golden. Add chilli, pepper, turmeric, cumin, salt and the tomatoes. Fry, stiring constantly for 5 minutes. Add yoghurt, mint, cardamom and cinnamon stick. Cover and cook over low heat, stirring occasionally until the tomatoes are cooked to a pulp. It may be necessary to add a little hot water if the mixture becomes too dry and starts to stick to the pan. 2.When the mixture is thick and smooth, add the chicken pieces and stir well to coat them with the spice mixture. Cover and cook over very low heat until the chicken is tender, approximately 35 to 45 minutes. There should only be a little very thick sauce left when chicken is finished cooking. If necessary, cook uncovered for a few minutes to reduce the sauce. 3.Wash rice well and drain in colander for at least 30 minutes. 4.In a large frying pan, heat vegetable oil (or ghee) and fry the onions until they are golden. Add saffron, cardamom, cloves, cinnamon stick, ginger and rice. Stir continuously until the rice is coated with the spices. 5.In a medium-size pot, heat the chicken stock and salt. When the mixture is hot pour it over the rice and stir well. Add the chicken mixture and the potatoes; gently mix them into the rice. Bring to boil. Cover the saucepan tightly, turn heat to very low and steam for 20 minutes. Do not lift lid or stir while cooking. Spoon biryani onto a warm serving dish.
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For biryani, always use long grain rice. Basmati rice with its thin, fine grains is the ideal variety to use.

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Ghee is butter that has been slowly melted so that the milk solids and golden liquid have been separated and can be used in place of vegetable oil to yield a more authentic taste.




I just tried this recipie its actually frikken nice with some popadoms and narrn bread .

BEWARE THO

Kids dont like it its too spicy.

Conclusion = dont have kids they ruin everything even simple pleasures like a nice meal

**Conquering Eve Online One Pint at a time. **(Excuse my bad spelling and or grammar ive never really valued such things especially when everyone knows what im saying regardless)

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#170 - 2012-04-24 20:21:54 UTC
Xython wrote:
Miilla wrote:
The only way to solve this is to 1) build a BIGGER alliance or 2) an Alliance BLOB :)


Be our guest. Might I suggest using ships that require Technetium to build? Blink


Ibis's require Technetium? I didn't see that in the patch notes.
flakeys
Doomheim
#171 - 2012-04-24 20:29:34 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

...



Well we gotta wait what the jita thingy does but indeed ice mining and tech prices effected me . My wallet went up up awayyyyyyyyyy , funny how the people i dislike most in the game allways make sure my wallet bounces upwards.


So uhm you where saying... ?

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#172 - 2012-04-25 04:55:22 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
Can't wait for the day goons implode( it may be closer than you think). No mega corp/alliance lasts forever.

Odds on the Japanese will be the hammer to fall.


Actually thats something I'll be watching... I mean, look at how serious they have taken other MMO's.... WE will be the ones calling THEM a sleeping giant.

Yes, well, unlike a certain other alliance we won't start blurfing over some thin and entirely unnecessary excuse to swoop in and try to crush a bunch of upstarts we see as a threat, so at least if they come after us, there won't be a grudge of that scale involved...

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo

Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#173 - 2012-04-25 05:02:23 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
i see the new npc alt party line is "goons are becoming too powerful this should not be allowed"


Not true, I still luv you guys <3 <3 <3
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#174 - 2012-04-25 05:02:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
corestwo wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
Can't wait for the day goons implode( it may be closer than you think). No mega corp/alliance lasts forever.

Odds on the Japanese will be the hammer to fall.

Actually thats something I'll be watching... I mean, look at how serious they have taken other MMO's.... WE will be the ones calling THEM a sleeping giant.

Yes, well, unlike a certain other alliance we won't start blurfing over some thin and entirely unnecessary excuse to swoop in and try to crush a bunch of upstarts we see as a threat, so at least if they come after us, there won't be a grudge of that scale involved...

It's not like we'd have to fight over tech or something, once it gets nerfed (and if not, we're sitting on tech anyway).

Just a few friendly coathangar ops at most. Like we had with IRC, just a bit of fun.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#175 - 2012-04-25 05:10:30 UTC
Well, frankly, the last time we went and beat up some newbies in frigates and ospreys we wound up taking them (Dreddit) under our wing and, well, now there's TEST as a result, so...

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo

Tear Miner
Doomheim
#176 - 2012-04-25 05:11:13 UTC
I love how all of Eve is:

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices

This is a Goon alt drumming up support, its posting is way too obvious.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#177 - 2012-04-25 05:13:40 UTC
Tear Miner wrote:
I love how all of Eve is:

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices

This is a Goon alt drumming up support, its posting is way too obvious.


I do think that the most fascinating thing in this thread is the amount of support we're getting, even if it's more like "it's a sandbox, deal with it" types of posts.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo

Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#178 - 2012-04-25 05:20:17 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.


Yup, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#179 - 2012-04-25 05:25:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
corestwo wrote:
Tear Miner wrote:
I love how all of Eve is:

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices

This is a Goon alt drumming up support, its posting is way too obvious.


I do think that the most fascinating thing in this thread is the amount of support we're getting, even if it's more like "it's a sandbox, deal with it" types of posts.


That's because we love to hate you guys, you're the biggest villains in Eve and when you decide to play silly buggers it's on an epic scale.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#180 - 2012-04-25 05:28:03 UTC
Xorv wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.


Yup, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Correlated, maybe, but it's not deterministic like you seem to think.

Yes, if you just stroll into Jita you will be ganked with a high probability, but you have some choice - to not walk into the storm of artillery shells.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?