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T2BPO why they should be removed and how.

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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#121 - 2012-04-25 00:05:56 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:


I'm not sure how much evidence I can provide with out being banned as CCP does ban you for revealing facts on T2BPO. Possibly we need some CCP dev clarification on what facts I can reveal whith out being banned.


Lol. "If I told you I would have to kill you!" Roll How very convenient for you.

Fiction presented as fact - commonly known as lies.


You allready stated that you know about T20 so you clearly know about how CCP layed down the ban hammer on discussing it.
Haulie Berry
#122 - 2012-04-25 00:13:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:


I'm not sure how much evidence I can provide with out being banned as CCP does ban you for revealing facts on T2BPO. Possibly we need some CCP dev clarification on what facts I can reveal whith out being banned.


Lol. "If I told you I would have to kill you!" Roll How very convenient for you.

Fiction presented as fact - commonly known as lies.


You allready stated that you know about T20 so you clearly know about how CCP layed down the ban hammer on discussing it.


More fiction. There were bans handed out in the midst of the scandal, but there is no persistent blanket ban against discussion of T2 BPOs.

Now you've progressed from lies to meta-lies, the sole function of which is to sidestep the fact that you can't actually backup your previous lies.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#123 - 2012-04-25 00:16:50 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:


I'm not sure how much evidence I can provide with out being banned as CCP does ban you for revealing facts on T2BPO. Possibly we need some CCP dev clarification on what facts I can reveal whith out being banned.


Lol. "If I told you I would have to kill you!" Roll How very convenient for you.

Fiction presented as fact - commonly known as lies.


You allready stated that you know about T20 so you clearly know about how CCP layed down the ban hammer on discussing it.


More fiction. There were bans handed out in the midst of the scandal, but there is no persistent blanket ban against discussion of T2 BPOs.

Now you've progressed from lies to meta-lies, the sole function of which is to sidestep the fact that you can't actually backup your previous lies.


Yet again what lies? OK I put it to a dev to dispute anything in my post for all is true.
Haulie Berry
#124 - 2012-04-25 00:18:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:


Yet again what lies? OK I put it to a dev to dispute anything in my post for all is true.


Pretty sure we've addressed that. At length. You made a bunch of assertions about the illegitimacy of BPO distribution. I asked you to prove it. You said you can't.

Since you're making such accusations, you bear the burden of proof. You've opted not to provide any proof, giving instead the laughably pathetic excuse, "Uhm.. I can't tell you.... it's a secret."

It's cool. Lots of people just make **** up when they don't have a legitimate position. I'm just glad that we could establish that that is, in fact, what you're doing here.

Did you know that Jesus gave State Ravens to his apostles? It's true. CCP must remove State Ravens AT ONCE lest the future of Eve be DOOMED by this heinous act of divinity.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#125 - 2012-04-25 00:23:59 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:


Yet again what lies? OK I put it to a dev to dispute anything in my post for all is true.


Pretty sure we've addressed that. At length. You made a bunch of assertions about the illegitimacy of BPO distribution. I asked you to prove it. You said you can't.

Since you're making such accusations, you bear the burden of proof. You've opted not to provide any proof, giving instead the laughably pathetic excuse, "Uhm.. I can't tell you.... it's a secret."

It's cool. Lots of people just make **** up when they don't have a legitimate position. I'm just glad that we could establish that that is, in fact, what you're doing here.


Ok T20 was unfair a CCP dev gave BPO's to his friends. You really want me to prove it go thuck yourself and use google.

The lottery details were revealed yet again go thuck yourself and use google.

BPO's were dropped you allready stated this by your event rant, go thuck yourself and use your memory.

Simply put thuck off troll and come up with one argument for keeping T2BPO. You can't let it die.

Remove T2BPO, let CCP and Eve grow and move forward. meh lose some pet players in process instead of hordes of newbies.
Haulie Berry
#126 - 2012-04-25 00:29:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:

Ok T20 was unfair a CCP dev gave BPO's to his friends. You really want me to prove it go thuck yourself and use google.


And then they were taken back. So the CCP dev's friends no longer had them. So it has no bearing on the present state of the game. You seem to like ignoring that part.

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The lottery details were revealed yet again go thuck yourself and use google.


Describe the net effect of this event.

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BPO's were dropped you allready stated this by your event rant, go thuck yourself and use your memory.


Yes... the very first BPOs were distributed as part of an in game event. They are not the only rare item to ever be distributed in this way. They were not "dropped by rats" as a matter of course, as you continually suggest. How, precisely, does this have any bearing on T2 BPOs as a whole? As Miner IIs were the only BPOs ever distributed in this fashion, how does this pertain to, say, EANM II BPOs?

I heard that a dev gave Barack Obama a special item that spawns a freighter full of Technetium in his hangar on the second tuesday of every month.

Also, all Jita 4-4 taxes and broker fees go directly to Mittani with the provision that he may only spend them on exotic dancers and spiced wine.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#127 - 2012-04-25 00:34:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
Haulie Berry wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:

Ok T20 was unfair a CCP dev gave BPO's to his friends. You really want me to prove it go thuck yourself and use google.


And then they were taken back. So the CCP dev's friends no longer had them. So it has no bearing on the present state of the game. You seem to like ignoring that part.

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The lottery details were revealed yet again go thuck yourself and use google.


Describe the net effect of this event.

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BPO's were dropped you allready stated this by your event rant, go thuck yourself and use your memory.


Yes... the very first BPOs were distributed as part of an in game event. They are not the only rare item to ever be distributed in this way. They were not "dropped by rats" as a matter of course, as you continually suggest. How, precisely, does this have any bearing on T2 BPOs as a whole? As Miner IIs were the only BPOs ever distributed in this fashion, how does this pertain to, say, EANM II BPOs?



I never said all BPO's were dropped this way I listed all the ways in which BPO's were given out as my first post suggests. SO yet again my post is 100% truthfull, please explain which part is a lie again?

By the way you can stop posting now as I've allready stated it's very easy to defend the truth and the removal of T2BPO and a lot more effort to try and promote it's continued existance which is based on corruption and lies is recquired. Seriously how much real money, time, new subscriptions and wealth has CCP burned keeping these items in game to keep a select few happy?

T2BPO existance is insanity in both game and real world scenarios.
Haulie Berry
#128 - 2012-04-25 00:43:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:



I never said all BPO's were dropped this way I listed all the ways in which BPO's were given out as my first post suggests. SO yet again my post is 100% truthfull, please explain which part is a lie again?



We've been over this several times now. The answer is "all of it". Lies of omission are still lies.


Furthermore, what, exactly, is wrong with having distributed 10? I think it was 10 - BPOs through an ingame event? Is that somehow inappropriate? What should be done with other rare event-distributed items? Should nothing unique ever be distributed as part of an ingame event, or does it only apply to T2 BPOs?

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Seriously how much real money, time, new subscriptions and wealth has CCP burned keeping these items in game to keep a select few happy?


Oh, good call. Back up your lies with alarmist speculation. You even posed it as a question, too - that's a pretty badass Fox News move there. Are Tech2 BPOs harming YOUR child? Story at 11.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#129 - 2012-04-25 00:48:44 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:



I never said all BPO's were dropped this way I listed all the ways in which BPO's were given out as my first post suggests. SO yet again my post is 100% truthfull, please explain which part is a lie again?



We've been over this several times now. The answer is "all of it". Lies of omission are still lies.


Furthermore, what, exactly, is wrong with having distributed 10? I think it was 10 - BPOs through an ingame event? Is that somehow inappropriate? What should be done with other rare event-distributed items? Should nothing unique ever be distributed as part of an ingame event, or does it only apply to T2 BPOs?

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Seriously how much real money, time, new subscriptions and wealth has CCP burned keeping these items in game to keep a select few happy?


Oh, good call. Back up your lies with alarmist speculation. You even posed it as a question, too - that's a pretty badass Fox News move there. Are Tech2 BPOs harming YOUR child? Story at 11.



All of it? good one so with out supporting or answering to these supposed lies with facts we shall say none of it.

Yet again the orignal post is 100% fact and your slowly realising this and you can not point out a single lie with a counter of truth because in fact my OP is 100% truth and it saddens you.

You are no different to any other troll here who has tried to defend what is allready lost T2BPO have no place in eve. Remove them.
Haulie Berry
#130 - 2012-04-25 00:56:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Yes. All of it.

You:

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1. They were dropped by Rats in certain systems. Many deemed this unfair and pointed to the fact that CCP were intentionally aiming drops at particularly alliances/corps by generating the drop in their space


Reality:

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The next miner II bpcs were also distributed through a Jove Event.
Ouria, a Jovan Admiral infected by the Jovan Disease, and nine of his brothers fled to a Station deep inside Stain region, with stolen blueprints in their cargo.
CONCORD placed a bounty of 100 million ISK on Ouria's head and 10 million on each of his brothers and many corporations moved to stain in search for the Jovan refugees.

Ouria and five of his fellow Jovians, flying Eidolon battleships, hooked up with the known Minmatar terrorist organization Oracle close to Stain. 18 Oracle members flying cruisers joined forces with the Jovians. A task force consisting mainly of members of the Stain Alliance met the Ouria and his friends in DSS-EZ system. The task force consisted of 15-20 battleships and 15-20 cruisers. The battle raged for awhile and when the smoke cleared all the Jovian ships as well as all the Oracle cruisers were smoldering rubble. It is believed the task force lost less than 10 ships in total.

As Each destroyed Jovan ship dropped a (unlimited) miner II bpc among other valuable loot, a battle for the cargo containers started.


This is known as a "lie of omission" . By failing to mention certain facts, you intentionally leave the uninitiated with the impression that T2 BPOs were routinely seeded in this fashion when, in fact, it was a one time event.


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2. They were given out in a lottery that required research points as tickets. Many deemed this unfair as it gave those with far larger banks of research point ie older players a distinct advantage. Information about the workings of the lottery were also released to key players. This information was regarding the amount of BPO's in each individual lottery and how many tickets were participating. This gave key players insight into which lottery to enter giving them far greater chances of obtaining T2BPO's. Some even rumour that the lottery was in no way random and that CCP employee's simply chose which players to gift BPO's


This is pretty much a work of speculative fiction. "Many deemed..." "Some even rumor..."

STFU and try some facts.


Every other assertion you have made is flawed in the exact same way, but this one is my favorite:
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3. They were simply handed as assets in secret to certain players by CCP


Still anxiously waiting for you to blow the lid off this secret T2 BPO distribution scandal, the details of which are, apparently, known ONLY to you.

As the T20 BPOs were recovered, obviously this cannot be the BPOs you refer to so, please, tell us all about this previously unknown scandal.

Don't fear the banhammer, baby. The truth will set you free.

Fact: CCP gives their favorite forum posters free +7 implants.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#131 - 2012-04-25 01:03:23 UTC
Way I actually liked that post you bothered to google how NPC's dropped BPO's kudos. MY original post stated this but in not so much detail I will now add this to the reserved second post.

Wow it has taken months of trolling but someone on team T2BPO has displayed a grasp of reality and facts.

Yet still my statement regarding this event remain true.
Haulie Berry
#132 - 2012-04-25 01:05:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Way I actually liked that post you bothered to google how NPC's dropped BPO's kudos. MY original post stated this but in not so much detail I will now add this to the reserved second post.


Your original post lied about it via omission, probably because you didn't actually know anything about the event. Someone told you they were dropped once and you just started parroting your own fictional rendition (which bears no resemblance to reality) as if it were fact.

Still waiting to hear about these secretly handed out BPOs that you claim you can't talk about it (admittedly, I really believe you can't talk about them... because you're making it up).
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#133 - 2012-04-25 01:12:06 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Way I actually liked that post you bothered to google how NPC's dropped BPO's kudos. MY original post stated this but in not so much detail I will now add this to the reserved second post.


Your original post lied about it via omission, probably because you didn't actually know anything about the event. Someone told you they were dropped once and you just started parroting your own fictional rendition (which bears no resemblance to reality) as if it were fact.

Still waiting to hear about these secretly handed out BPOs that you claim you can't talk about it (admittedly, I really believe you can't talk about them... because you're making it up).


T20 is well documented they were handed in secret, google it.
Haulie Berry
#134 - 2012-04-25 01:18:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:


T20 is well documented they were handed in secret, google it.


But you list those as two separate events, Brewlar. See?

Under the general heading...

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They were seeded into the game in a variety of ways



This refers to some as-yet-to-be-identified mystery event:

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3. They were simply handed as assets in secret to certain players by CCP


And this refers to T20:

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4. An incident where non authorised handing of T2 BPO to a player from a CCP employee occurred. These BPO's were recovered


So, one of the following must be true:

Either,
A: You're alleging to have knowledge of a separate distribution scandal that remains a secret. This seems unlikely, as you're clearly an unconnected have-not.

Or:

B: You listed T20 twice, presumably to "pad" your case. For some reason, the first time you mentioned it, you opted to omit the fact that the BPOs were recovered. The net effect, given the juxtaposition of the two statements, is that, to anyone who doesn't know better, you are claiming that BPOs were inappropriately distributed and were NOT recovered. Again, more lying. Are you in politics? Seems right up your alley.

Furthermore, in the event of case B, why would illegitimately distributed BPOs that have since been recovered - and are thus no longer held illegitimately - be a relevant issue in today's Eve?
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#135 - 2012-04-25 01:21:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
''You're alleging to have knowledge of a separate distribution scandal that remains a secret. This seems unlikely, as you're clearly an unconnected have-not.''

My point exactly, un-connected is a problem in EVE. Unless you knew a Dev your chances of reciving items like T2BPO were nill which completely kills CCP's illusion of a player based ecconmy and sand box style gameplay.

Untill CCP removes T2BPO's and stops feeding it's Pet players and corps this game will not grow into anything more. Every day it becomes more grind and a clone of WOW. T2BPO is a prime example of this requiring no skill or effort to create, risk free isk just pure grind and gifts. WOW all over.

Remove T2BPO's.
Haulie Berry
#136 - 2012-04-25 01:27:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
''You're alleging to have knowledge of a separate distribution scandal that remains a secret. This seems unlikely, as you're clearly an unconnected have-not.''

My point exactly, un-connected is a problem in EVE. Unless you knew a Dev your chances of reciving items like T2BPO were nill which completely kills CCP's illusion of a player based ecconmy and sand box style gameplay.

Untill CCP removes T2BPO's and stops feeding it's Pet players and corps this game will not grow into anything more. Every day it becomes more grind and a clone of WOW. T2BPO is a prime example of this requiring no skill or effort to create, risk free isk just pure grind and gifts. WOW all over.

Remove T2BPO's.


So, CCP gives T2 BPOs to their "pets".

The BPOs are recovered.

CCP is continuing to feed its pets. That seems to be the executive summary of your current position.

How, exactly, does recovering the BPOs equate to "feeding" pets?

And again: Why did your OP include two different renditions of the T20 scandal? Why did one of those renditions fail to mention that the BPOs were removed from circulation? These are not rhetorical questions.

The obvious answer is, "You're making things up to support your agenda", but I think it would still be fun to watch you attempt to explain it.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#137 - 2012-04-25 10:37:47 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
''You're alleging to have knowledge of a separate distribution scandal that remains a secret. This seems unlikely, as you're clearly an unconnected have-not.''

My point exactly, un-connected is a problem in EVE. Unless you knew a Dev your chances of reciving items like T2BPO were nill which completely kills CCP's illusion of a player based ecconmy and sand box style gameplay.

Untill CCP removes T2BPO's and stops feeding it's Pet players and corps this game will not grow into anything more. Every day it becomes more grind and a clone of WOW. T2BPO is a prime example of this requiring no skill or effort to create, risk free isk just pure grind and gifts. WOW all over.

Remove T2BPO's.


So, CCP gives T2 BPOs to their "pets".

The BPOs are recovered.

CCP is continuing to feed its pets. That seems to be the executive summary of your current position.

How, exactly, does recovering the BPOs equate to "feeding" pets?

And again: Why did your OP include two different renditions of the T20 scandal? Why did one of those renditions fail to mention that the BPOs were removed from circulation? These are not rhetorical questions.

The obvious answer is, "You're making things up to support your agenda", but I think it would still be fun to watch you attempt to explain it.


Oh sorry CCP devs giving T2BPO's to their mates has to occur on several occasions before you wake up and realise that T2BPO is a giant mistake and a terrible advert for EVE. It gives players that hold these items massive advantages of new players who must invent.
Grouchy Smurf
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#138 - 2012-04-25 11:19:57 UTC
Mr Brewlar Kuvakei,

Assuming that they remove Tech 2 BPOs tomorrow, what stops CCP from handing brand new t2 BPOs to their friends?
Hell, it's even better for their friends since their new T2 BPOs would be unique and, therefor, more expensive / important in the economy.

Or do you think that those friends will openly speak up and complain about their gifts?

Here is a free tip: If CCP wants to do something, there is NOTHING you can do to stop it. If they are / were giving away items, removing those items will not help. They will just seed them again. The only ones that will be harmed are the guys that legitimately acquired said items.

ps: Take your conspiracy theories. You know where you can shove them.
Haulie Berry
#139 - 2012-04-25 13:03:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:


Oh sorry CCP devs giving T2BPO's to their mates has to occur on several occasions before you wake up and realise that T2BPO is a giant mistake and a terrible advert for EVE. It gives players that hold these items massive advantages of new players who must invent.


That doesn't answer the question. Let's try this again. Here, I'll put numbers on them this time. Maybe that will help.

1. Why did your OP include two different renditions of the T20 scandal?

2. Why did one of those renditions fail to mention that the BPOs were removed from circulation?

3. How is the illegitimate distribution of T2 BPOs which were recovered relevant in today's Eve, and why should it have any bearing on legitimately distributed BPOs?
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#140 - 2012-04-25 13:08:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
Haulie Berry wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:


Oh sorry CCP devs giving T2BPO's to their mates has to occur on several occasions before you wake up and realise that T2BPO is a giant mistake and a terrible advert for EVE. It gives players that hold these items massive advantages of new players who must invent.


That doesn't answer the question. Let's try this again. Here, I'll put numbers on them this time. Maybe that will help.

1. Why did your OP include two different renditions of the T20 scandal?

2. Why did one of those renditions fail to mention that the BPOs were removed from circulation?

3. How is the illegitimate distribution of T2 BPOs which were recovered relevant in today's Eve, and why should it have any bearing on legitimately distributed BPOs?


T2BPO were not given fairly, details of the lottery were leaked. So any T2BPO gifted in the lottery should be recovered. So far only T20 BPO's have been recovred.

Meh What ever I'm happy that this thread stays at the top of S+I forum and also at the top of google search on T2 and amongst the top for EVE industry. T2BPO is an embaresment to both CCP and EVE. New players should be made aware of their existance and the corrupt manner that they entered the game. New players can judge if this is a game they wish to play a game where they have to labour with invention ''crafting'' while other players can just instantly produce the same items at a fraction of the cost.