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Kind of confused at how some corps handle being war dec'd
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Reppyk
The Black Shell
#41 - 2012-04-20 16:06:26 UTC
People have paid me billions to drop some of my wardecs (which I honored btw). And I'm on my own.
You need to find the good, fat carebears.

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Mara Villoso
Long Jump.
#42 - 2012-04-20 18:00:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Villoso
Katarina Reid wrote:
They will all mass move to alt corp when war goes live. Unless they have a pos then why will changing corp matter. They can also mass quit corp to npc corp and just stay in a chat channel. Wars mean nothing til inferno.

And they won't mean anything then either. There is no reason to be in a corp except for POS use. POS users will just take down the POS for decs. There is nothing stopping anyone from just grouping up while in NPC corps or in a hundred tiny one man corps. There is little to no effective difference between the current state of affairs and post-Inferno, with the sole exception of POS owners not being able to keep a POS up while they alliance hop.

edit: also, only idiots pay ransoms. Even if a ransomer keeps his word for that character/corp, his alt corp will go right ahead and kill you. Paying ransoms is a sign of weakness and stupidity.
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-04-20 20:45:56 UTC
Others have allready brought out the good and valid reasons they aint giving a flying **** about your decs.

Id like to add that some people simply dont give into demands made by internet dickheads.






Not to even mention that its like your trying to extort a casino owned by the mafia ... with just few normal working guys :D
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#44 - 2012-04-21 10:11:40 UTC
Dead Loss wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I just did three minutes worth of intel work on your corp. This is what I found:

You have just nine members. Of those, only 5 have any posted combat history at all. Only one of those 5 has a confirmed kill, and you got on that killmail by providing a HIC bubble and applying precisely zero damage. The few decent kills on your corp's killboards are by ex-members.

You're barely a threat to a single miner.


Well, there's that but then again there is context.

We are all RL friends, and we have had a really tough time getting organized because of our respective jobs etc.

The fact is that I am the one who played Eve, and I signed all of them up through the Xmas 60 day trial thing. They all love it, but as a small group it has been hard for me to provide them content.

We set up a POS in low sec for a while, but it was hard for us to connect at the same time, so the little amount of operations we attempted failed miserably because of lack of people in the gang.

Now, I think this high sec war dec thing might give a complete different result, and it offers a slightly safer environment for them to learn. Considering they are all brand new players with very low SP.

So, on paper yes our results haven't been good, but we just need to find some active content to relate to. Initially my friends were not very eager to jump into the game straight by doing low sec or null sec, they followed me anyway but it was a pretty big mistake on my part.

This might be what we need, and I think our killboard will soon reflect that, with the blood of all those industrial corps.

But that's just my analysis. Others are welcome to their opinions.


Ah, so you're a bunch of disorganized ***hats that anyone's just gonna fold to you? Bro, I've done wardecs, and even those witha lengthy and very good killboard just get blueballed. Go out to lowsec, get some friggen kills, make a name for yourself, and then try wardec'ing ppl. The #1 reason that a lot of people don't pay extortion fees is because when the targeted victim puts up any sort of defense the wardeccer more times than not just stays docked up because he doesn't want to get killed by someone whom he perceives to be a carebear.

Since you're very inexperienced at pvp, I encourage you to come to Carrou or Ignoitton for some lessons.
uwai223
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-04-21 13:05:21 UTC
Your corp description alone discredits you "We call ourselves pirates but in reality we are massive carebears". No wonder nobody cares about you.

We are required by our constitution to let the voters think they have a choice. That's democracy!
Lord Meriak
State Naval Academy
Greater Domain Cooperative
#46 - 2012-04-21 15:59:43 UTC
Join faction warfare learn pvp get a good rep then you can start to grief other corps war decs ( is not being a pirate ) Lol
Kestrix
The Whispering
#47 - 2012-04-23 05:44:28 UTC
The policy of the corp I'm in atm is in the event of a war to bail out of the corp into an NPC corp untill the war is over. We still mine and operate together as if we were all still in the corp.

As wardecs target corps not the players I don't know why miners creat corps as being in an NPC corp gives no drawbacks to mining just setup a private channel and have an unofficial corp going.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#48 - 2012-04-23 12:54:04 UTC
Kestrix wrote:
The policy of the corp I'm in atm is in the event of a war to bail out of the corp into an NPC corp untill the war is over. We still mine and operate together as if we were all still in the corp.
UV Heavy Industries [UVHVY]
Tax Rate 0.00 % Croleur III - Moon 1 - Republic Security Services Testing Facilities
Shares 100000 Member Count 24
Pirate

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Kestrix
The Whispering
#49 - 2012-04-23 15:36:46 UTC
Reppyk wrote:
Kestrix wrote:
The policy of the corp I'm in atm is in the event of a war to bail out of the corp into an NPC corp untill the war is over. We still mine and operate together as if we were all still in the corp.
UV Heavy Industries [UVHVY]
Tax Rate 0.00 % Croleur III - Moon 1 - Republic Security Services Testing Facilities
Shares 100000 Member Count 24
Pirate


Who's a clever boy then?
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-04-24 01:56:21 UTC
i seriously hope the miners dock for week and sit in station and make you camp a station 23/7 with no kills, not even a look at the enemy.
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-04-24 20:36:49 UTC
They would have to be a bunch of serious wimps to pay a ransom to a nobody corp that has yet to do more than threaten them.
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2012-04-25 00:07:00 UTC
Dead Loss wrote:
Our little pirate corp recently war dec'd 6 industrial corps.

The idea being that we want to ask them for a generous donation to our corporate fund in exchange for letting them mine happily.

Now, each of these corps have about 20 to 40 members. We have been observing all of them for a while, they have little tonp pvp capabilities except for a few guys who maybe do lvl 4 missions so they might have a small capacity at firepower.

They mine ice for the most of them. They go around in small fleets or Orca + Hulks/Mackinaws.

They are absolutely careless, some of them usually hang around the dock of the station for whole minutes in gangs of exhumers (except they hand around at 5-6 km from docking range, not at 0).

Now, we sent each of them a 24 hour notice, explaining that if we received a donation of 500 mil, we would not implement the war dec which was voted on and only waiting to be implemented.

After 48 hours no response, but they have not modified (not a single of the corps) their way of doing things. Now the war dec has been launched and will enter into full force in less than 8 hours.

They will loose billions in hulks, orcas, etc. And as far as I can see, they have made no contact with merc corps as we have not been wardecced and their members have not increased.

So why would you not pay in such case ? Why would you assume that you are safe keeping on doing what you do carelessly ? I don't understand the concept ... knowing that you will loose much more than the 500 million isk donation we request.

Does anyone have opinions on this ? Experience maybe and explanations as to why they do this ?


Perhaps they're having the same reaction I do to this kind of behavior, utter loathing. Yeah, I realize it's a video game and all that, but in the real world that's what we call extortion.

Or the reason for their silence is perhaps they have been quietly talking to merc corps? Who knows.
Valkyrie D'ark
Armed Resistance Movement
#53 - 2012-04-25 06:28:06 UTC
1. 500m is a lot of ISK to ask for someone of your size. They can pay much less than that to Mercs to counterdec you
2. Paying ransom only invites more wardecs asking for more ransom
3. Don't assume you will do billions worth of damage to them when dec goes live. Live and see
Kazu'ul
OMG PWNAGE
#54 - 2012-04-28 03:00:36 UTC
Speaking as a small-time PVE'er/POS owner/part-time 'carebear' - We've been dec'd many times, sometimes being offered a 'ransom' of as little as 50 mil. We have never paid, and never had our operations significantly interrupted.

Out of principal, we do not pay ransoms, nor do we fight when the advantage is not on our side, much like you.

If our station is camped, there's plenty of other games to play.

If you decide to dec us, we have the choice of bringing down our POSs and waiting it out, or if you are dedicated, we just might go kick your ass, provided we can maneuver fights into our favor.

As a solo(most of the time) or small-friend-count player, it's pointless to go fight when you know you will be out-xxxx'd. Why bother? Why reward bullies? We have alt accounts that can watch you, we do our research... if there's a possibility of win and QQ from a defensive side, we will take it. But there usually is not, prompting us to 'build walls' (read: use defensive tactics available to us) so as to not engage this bothersome crap.

CCP changes that, and we shall see if it motivates us more to fight, or if we will simply go play Starcraft II and other games until the 'heat' goes away.

Bottom line - wether or not you impinge upon our 'opportunity cost' - if the odds are not in our favor, we're much happier making a slight sacrifice to deny you QQ, because... well, if that needs explaining, you have no business asking.
Kalli Brixzat
#55 - 2012-04-28 06:25:08 UTC
Some time ago, a friend's corp was dec'd and they were blockaded in their station in hi-sec. Apparently, the CEO had a friend who ran a merc corp based nearby. They merc corp member joined the war-dec'd corp and came in "behind" the aggressor corp. A minute after the merc engaged, the dec'd corp undocked. I heard it was a bloodbath.

Just an option if the aggressor cotp is being too passive of of moderate size/strength.
Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#56 - 2012-04-28 12:15:14 UTC
Problem here is also that sometimes these industry corp gets tons of these deccks... Every PvP idiot thinks its good idea to try extort these fellows...

After a while it gets boring. Everyone wanting few 100 mil to leave you alone....

What i learned in my past is this:

Newer ever pay ransom, 9 out of 10 times theyre idiots that try the ice with sctick and newer follow up on threat.

And those that actually go war and hunts you, theyre easy to avoid by dropping corp for a while...

And sometimes you can turn things arround, they wardeck you and you go hunt them instead...

When i used alt to lead one small indy corp, first thing i did when blackmail letter came was go in research mode, see how these people actually are.. Serious thing or usual clowns.. And then members wondered why corporation had warchest that was large....


If your hopeing your victims take you seriously, well you have to look serious, killboard with kills and indicator for active pvp engagements... Becouse any sane ceo will research you out the moment mail icon blinks..

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...
Pyotr Kamarovi
Out Of The Depths Academy
xX SERENITY Xx
#57 - 2012-04-28 15:53:41 UTC
Hm, I remember the last time I was in a carebear corporation that got war-decced by would-be "griefers". Yeah, we ran level 4's and mined for the most part. We also fought them, outnumbered, outside our home station, killing more ships and causing more damage then they did, despite losing, podded their CEO and then completely disrupted the CEO when he tried to run an Incursion.

We didn't see much of them again....

Moral of the story is, carebears can have teeth, and won't pay your silly ransom even if they don't jump corp.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#58 - 2012-04-28 18:18:58 UTC
Pyotr Kamarovi wrote:
Hm, I remember the last time I was in a carebear corporation that got war-decced by would-be "griefers".
EVE university ?

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Pyotr Kamarovi
Out Of The Depths Academy
xX SERENITY Xx
#59 - 2012-04-29 05:27:07 UTC
Reppyk wrote:
Pyotr Kamarovi wrote:
Hm, I remember the last time I was in a carebear corporation that got war-decced by would-be "griefers".
EVE university ?


No, a different corporation, using E-UNI as an example would be pointless Big smile
Lucas Schuyler
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2012-05-01 20:34:06 UTC
Dead Loss wrote:
Why would you not pay in such case ? Why would you assume that you are safe keeping on doing what you do carelessly ? I don't understand the concept ... knowing that you will loose much more than the 500 million isk donation we request.

Does anyone have opinions on this ? Experience maybe and explanations as to why they do this ?



As has already been suggested... You could be one guy bluffing, why should they pay before you carry through on a threat?

As far as not honoring it being bad for business, there are just as many people out there who would say E-Honor is a joke and deliberately break deals just for the lulz/tears... How can they which camp you are in?

It is a game, if you want to shake them down, put some effort in! Twisted