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CCP killed my mini-profession today. Is yours next?
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Niko Takahashi
Yoshitomi Group
#41 - 2012-04-24 19:43:28 UTC
Ellie McAmber wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:


TL:DR "I can't make as much money anymore because now the free market controls prices."



I think you don't entirely understand what "free market" means.

Well it has been long time coming. The faction ship introduction to the market shoul have been a hint.
But I do agree with you now it is not about business but market bots.
I totally do not get the role play factor behind the decision to have elite military grade and outlaw grade equipment readily available on the open market.
Just fells wrong on so many levels.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-04-24 19:45:42 UTC
Miilla wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I think it's a bit of a bogus change.

At least with the old contract system you could view a complete listing of a specific item within the Eve Universe and then travel to the location with the lowest price.

Didn't see anything mentioned about the Market being able to show a complete listing for a specific item within the Eve universe.



But now you have a history of the pricing and quantities in the region, you don't have that on contracts.

Nothing is stopping you from still using contracts, in fact people will still buy from them out of habbit and compare with market prices, a lot of the time u can buy a fitted ship to strip down and sell items as profit and then the ship :)

It also gives you an advantage on the region blindness, you can now haul between regions and manipulate them easier.

AND it also lowers chat contract link spam.

The Regional Market History or Quantity List doesn't inform players where a specific item with the lowest price is located within the Eve Universe. That can be done through a 3rd party application but it's time consuming and inaccurate.

Regional blindness places a large disadvantage upon the consumer, especially when pertaining to these special high level items. The old contract system provided a universal price index for these items which could be easily reviewed and compared with others from anywhere within the Eve Universe.

As for contracts spamming the chat channels, that can easily be fixed just like how the isk sellers are dealt with. Sorry, I still look at this change as another fail move by CCP.

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-04-24 19:50:06 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
You can't say "In before" for anything if you are the OP. That is just stupid.

If you are quitting market trading because of this then you were doing it wrong to begin with. But...good luck to ya. HTFU and adapt or die!



looks like the OP is choosing die as she/he's quitting

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Yes
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-04-24 19:51:50 UTC
This is a fantastic change and I'm sorry it pissed on you and a handful of people but the benefits in this case, are huge.

Regional price diversity. No longer will prices be set by a universal wide contract system; we might even see some of the current "barely worth it" LP items becoming worthwhile again

Visibility. Does a newbie search for a Coreli C-Type Thermal Plate? Of course fecking not. Now though they can just open the market and see this module right there, they are pretty cheap and not a bad idea in some cases on dessies and the like.

More intra-regional trading opportunities. Chances are Coreli will be cheap in Gallente, and Gistii in Minmatar, let the trade runs commence.

Sorry you got pissed on, but in this case, its for the greater good.

I lied :o
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-04-24 19:56:59 UTC
I used to be a contract trader, until I discovered Smirnoff.

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Garibaldi Sinatra
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-04-24 19:59:04 UTC
Prostitution is the oldest and most respected profession in the known Universe !!

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Sid Hudgens
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-04-24 19:59:39 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
When I created this character, I did so with the goal of getting a perfect refine on Meta 0 mission loot which I'd buy, refine and sell the minerals. Then they announced that Meta 0 and drone poo wouldn't drop anymore.

My level of butthurt: 0%

I adapt and find new ways to make money.



This.

I just finished training an alt for scrapmetal processing 4 not even a month before I heard about this change.

Truth be told I'm a little butthurt about it too. But I'll get over it. Life (and EVE) marches ever onward.

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Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-04-24 20:02:35 UTC
i keep hearing the blah Mini blah blah scam blah blah contract profession. grow up kid and learn to adapt or get left behind
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#49 - 2012-04-24 20:04:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Which has the higher Fee? Contracts or Market? Maybe its a stealth way to take more isk out of the game via fees?

On contract people where avoiding high fees by either private or auction and same price buy out as bidding.

Ofcourse, you can still use contracts if you want to. Now you have 2 places to sell the stuff.
Brannsy
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2012-04-24 20:07:23 UTC
My only complaint is that I am a exploration expert.....not a trader, I want to be running sites and scanning, not babysitting 0.1 isk bull****. Will try to stick to contracts and see if that works out, probably not though.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#51 - 2012-04-24 20:13:47 UTC
Brannsy wrote:
My only complaint is that I am a exploration expert.....not a trader, I want to be running sites and scanning, not babysitting 0.1 isk bull****. Will try to stick to contracts and see if that works out, probably not though.



You can still use contracts. Nobody is stopping you.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2012-04-24 20:15:11 UTC
Drew Solaert wrote:
This is a fantastic change and I'm sorry it pissed on you and a handful of people but the benefits in this case, are huge.

Regional price diversity. No longer will prices be set by a universal wide contract system; we might even see some of the current "barely worth it" LP items becoming worthwhile again

Visibility. Does a newbie search for a Coreli C-Type Thermal Plate? Of course fecking not. Now though they can just open the market and see this module right there, they are pretty cheap and not a bad idea in some cases on dessies and the like.

More intra-regional trading opportunities. Chances are Coreli will be cheap in Gallente, and Gistii in Minmatar, let the trade runs commence.

Sorry you got pissed on, but in this case, its for the greater good.


Regional price diversity? Oh, you mean create an even larger price difference for the exact same item from one regional market to the next.

Sorry, but yes most new players already know about Faction and Deadspace modules. They just can't buy them due to the pricing which is how it should be.

What I see you actually saying is that this is an excellent move by CCP to give Suicide Gankers more targets filled with juicy loot.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#53 - 2012-04-24 20:15:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Brannsy wrote:
My only complaint is that I am a exploration expert.....not a trader, I want to be running sites and scanning, not babysitting 0.1 isk bull****. Will try to stick to contracts and see if that works out, probably not though.


You know, if someone does -.01 ISK you know that only means his sells first... it doesn't mean that yours won't sell at all.

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Kobal81
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2012-04-24 20:16:25 UTC
Conferming, one less scammer has left the game Big smile

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#55 - 2012-04-24 20:18:27 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Brannsy wrote:
My only complaint is that I am a exploration expert.....not a trader, I want to be running sites and scanning, not babysitting 0.1 isk bull****. Will try to stick to contracts and see if that works out, probably not though.


You know, if someone does -.01 ISK you that only means his sells first... it doesn't mean that yours won't sell at all.


Indeed, and the more you price war, the lower it goes.

Patience is a virtue, OP has neither.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#56 - 2012-04-24 20:20:44 UTC
The next expansion should be called "DRAMA" because this game is full of drama queens.
Shootin' Star
The Fancy Hats Corporation
#57 - 2012-04-24 20:33:24 UTC
Bah, contracts won't disappear. There's still too many things you can only get in that manner - such as rigged and/or fitted ships, BPCs, researched BPOs, and varied collections of merchandise just to name some.

On top of that, while the amount of items being contracted will decrease with especially the lower-end faction and deadspace mods moving to the regular regional markets, the higher-end stuff should still appear regularly via contracts. The market for such items is far more limited because of price, and sellers will want to attract the widest possible attention to such wares. That can only come via the contracts market.

So rumours of its demise are, I believe, quite exaggerated.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2012-04-24 20:57:56 UTC
For high-value items, contracts are STILL the place to go,a s amrket ONLY allows you to see and purchase on a per-region elvel, wheras while you still must be in the same region to accept a contract, you cna at elast6 see where items are availabel that are fo the rarer variety if they ar enot in your trade hub.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#59 - 2012-04-24 21:23:20 UTC
Miilla wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I think it's a bit of a bogus change.

At least with the old contract system you could view a complete listing of a specific item within the Eve Universe and then travel to the location with the lowest price.

Didn't see anything mentioned about the Market being able to show a complete listing for a specific item within the Eve universe.



But now you have a history of the pricing and quantities in the region, you don't have that on contracts.

Nothing is stopping you from still using contracts, in fact people will still buy from them out of habbit and compare with market prices, a lot of the time u can buy a fitted ship to strip down and sell items as profit and then the ship :)

It also gives you an advantage on the region blindness, you can now haul between regions and manipulate them easier.

AND it also lowers chat contract link spam.


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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#60 - 2012-04-24 21:30:21 UTC
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CCP killed my mini-profession today. Is yours next?


My mini-profession is finding the most efficient ways of forcibly taking money from rich carebears. As such, it is constantly evolving, and growing in profits at a steady clip.