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CCP killed my mini-profession today. Is yours next?
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Doomheim
#21 - 2012-04-24 16:39:35 UTC
Forum Harlot wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:


One door closes and another one opens. In the meantime copy some blueprints and have fun.


Which door will be closed in order to open this?


The docking bay doors. Can't have all that air escaping.
Cavel Avada
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-04-24 16:40:46 UTC
Ellie McAmber wrote:
As everyone might have noticed, CCP killed the contract-trading mini-profession with the latest patch.

Most officer, faction and deadspace loot is now available on the market, with predictable consequences (0.01 ISK games and babysitting).

In before: "can I have your stuff", "HTFU", "adapt" and "good change lol". I have other plans for my stuff, as contract trading is not the only thing I do. "Adapt" in my case means I am quitting trade (and doing it in much disgust). I flat out refuse to deal with the horribly broken 0.01-ISKing mechanics, station owner standings and other wonderful Market innovations. I did not play that game since 2005 (when I just started EVE), and I will not start playing it now.

The point I am trying to make is that CCP removed a feature that I (and many others) enjoyed, and now EVE is much more boring.

Relatively few people did contract trading, and there is little-to-no outrage over this change, except of a short-ish discussion thread over in MD. However, there is definitely a slippery slope here. The contract traders got it now. Your chosen mini-profession could be next.

Sad day.


They didn't remove anything. They added a feature which happens to affect a previous feature.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#23 - 2012-04-24 16:45:51 UTC
Ellie McAmber wrote:
As everyone might have noticed, CCP killed the contract-trading mini-profession with the latest patch.

Most officer, faction and deadspace loot is now available on the market, with predictable consequences (0.01 ISK games and babysitting).

In before: "can I have your stuff", "HTFU", "adapt" and "good change lol". I have other plans for my stuff, as contract trading is not the only thing I do. "Adapt" in my case means I am quitting trade (and doing it in much disgust). I flat out refuse to deal with the horribly broken 0.01-ISKing mechanics, station owner standings and other wonderful Market innovations. I did not play that game since 2005 (when I just started EVE), and I will not start playing it now.

The point I am trying to make is that CCP removed a feature that I (and many others) enjoyed, and now EVE is much more boring.

Relatively few people did contract trading, and there is little-to-no outrage over this change, except of a short-ish discussion thread over in MD. However, there is definitely a slippery slope here. The contract traders got it now. Your chosen mini-profession could be next.

Sad day.


Your argument is absolute fallacy. CCP changed something that now has more actions involved in the process than it did previously, and you are calling it "boring".

Secondly, CCP removed no feature whatsoever. They added a feature. The old way is still there.

******* horribly broken .01 isk mechanics. Yeah its broken. Somebody go close down Ebay. They don't know what the **** they're doing.

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are serious business sir.

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#24 - 2012-04-24 17:18:48 UTC
Posting in the best stealth titan nerf whine thread yet.

10/10

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#25 - 2012-04-24 17:44:08 UTC
My chosen profession of hawking radioactive baby food to Caldari yuppies does not appear to be threatened.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
#26 - 2012-04-24 18:01:11 UTC
Same issue here.
I used to highlight my market orders directly on my screen but CCP ruined it.

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Ghoest
#27 - 2012-04-24 18:02:54 UTC
lol the OP is grouping about improved market efficiency.

crai more baby

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#28 - 2012-04-24 18:05:47 UTC
I derive great pleasure from playing hardball with the .01isk people. Keep dropping the price by 100,000 when they do .01 and watch them get their panties in a knot.

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Sid Hudgens
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-04-24 18:30:09 UTC
Quote:
Agents & Missions

Agents' showinfo windows will now properly explain the minimum standings requirements needed to use them.



As everyone might have noticed, CCP killed the explaining minimum standings mini-profession with the latest patch.

Most minimum standings requirements are now available on the showinfo windows, with predictable consequences (nobody asks what the minimum standings for an agent are anymore).

In before: "can I have your stuff", "HTFU", "adapt" and "good change lol". I have other plans for my stuff, as explaining minimum standing is not the only thing I do. "Adapt" in my case means I am quitting chat (and doing it in much disgust). I flat out refuse to deal with informed newbies, lack of standings questions and other wonderful showinfo innovations. I did not play that game since 2007 (when I just started EVE), and I will not start playing it now.

The point I am trying to make is that CCP removed a feature that I (and many others) enjoyed, and now EVE is much more boring.

Relatively few people explained minimum standings, and there is little-to-no outrage over this change, except of a short-ish discussion thread over in EMSD. However, there is definitely a slippery slope here. The standings explainers got it now. Your chosen mini-profession could be next.

Sad day.

"....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced."
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#30 - 2012-04-24 18:36:35 UTC
You know, it is possible that the prices might go up exposing the market to a wider audience.

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Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-04-24 18:41:07 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
You know, it is possible that the prices might go up exposing the market to a wider audience.


wut

I have more space likes than you. 
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#32 - 2012-04-24 18:42:34 UTC
Buy all on contract and sell at 1.5x the price on the market


Now, was it really THAT difficult?
Whitehound
#33 - 2012-04-24 18:43:22 UTC
I understand why someone can want to keep a profession, because it required a lot of talent and experience to do it. I do not see anything like this being at risk here. Contract trading takes very little to get into and it is not really dead either.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#34 - 2012-04-24 18:56:06 UTC
I like this change for purely selfish reasons.

I have a big pile of faction crap that I couldn't be bothered to put on a couple of hundred contracts. Lot's of COSMOS stuff as well.

It will be a real treat to just dump this on the market and get it out of my hanger, finally.

Mr Epeen Cool
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-04-24 18:59:17 UTC
I think it's a bit of a bogus change.

At least with the old contract system you could view a complete listing of a specific item within the Eve Universe and then travel to the location with the lowest price.

Didn't see anything mentioned about the Market being able to show a complete listing for a specific item within the Eve universe.

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#36 - 2012-04-24 19:01:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I think it's a bit of a bogus change.

At least with the old contract system you could view a complete listing of a specific item within the Eve Universe and then travel to the location with the lowest price.

Didn't see anything mentioned about the Market being able to show a complete listing for a specific item within the Eve universe.



But now you have a history of the pricing and quantities in the region, you don't have that on contracts.

Nothing is stopping you from still using contracts, in fact people will still buy from them out of habbit and compare with market prices, a lot of the time u can buy a fitted ship to strip down and sell items as profit and then the ship :)

It also gives you an advantage on the region blindness, you can now haul between regions and manipulate them easier.

AND it also lowers chat contract link spam.
Cavel Avada
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-04-24 19:03:34 UTC
Sid Hudgens wrote:
Quote:
Agents & Missions

Agents' showinfo windows will now properly explain the minimum standings requirements needed to use them.



As everyone might have noticed, CCP killed the explaining minimum standings mini-profession with the latest patch.

Most minimum standings requirements are now available on the showinfo windows, with predictable consequences (nobody asks what the minimum standings for an agent are anymore).

In before: "can I have your stuff", "HTFU", "adapt" and "good change lol". I have other plans for my stuff, as explaining minimum standing is not the only thing I do. "Adapt" in my case means I am quitting chat (and doing it in much disgust). I flat out refuse to deal with informed newbies, lack of standings questions and other wonderful showinfo innovations. I did not play that game since 2007 (when I just started EVE), and I will not start playing it now.

The point I am trying to make is that CCP removed a feature that I (and many others) enjoyed, and now EVE is much more boring.

Relatively few people explained minimum standings, and there is little-to-no outrage over this change, except of a short-ish discussion thread over in EMSD. However, there is definitely a slippery slope here. The standings explainers got it now. Your chosen mini-profession could be next.

Sad day.


:Slowclap: Impressive sir.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-04-24 19:27:06 UTC
1. These changes were known about for a long time. You could of stocked up on cheap objects that would eventually get expensive with today's update.

2. All it means is that you will have to change the way you play the markets. If anything you should be happy, suddenly things are different around here.

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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#39 - 2012-04-24 19:30:59 UTC
When I created this character, I did so with the goal of getting a perfect refine on Meta 0 mission loot which I'd buy, refine and sell the minerals. Then they announced that Meta 0 and drone poo wouldn't drop anymore.

My level of butthurt: 0%

I adapt and find new ways to make money.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Logix42
Taxation Damnation
#40 - 2012-04-24 19:35:57 UTC
scooter Kondur wrote:

One door closes and another one opens. In the meantime copy some blueprints and have fun.


there's a Tshirt for that

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