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CCP - Why are we allowing one alliance to control eve?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#81 - 2012-04-24 16:18:19 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
Garnoo wrote:
you can control CCP too.... you just need to be so awesome (like The Mittani) to gather more than 25 000 gamers.... so stop whining
its not my fault you dont have so many friends!



No, you have to have someone with no life who wants to make their entire life about a video game.

It isn't a coincidence that the leader of the biggest alliance in Eve doesn't have a job.


I thought he'd retired? probably with a shed load of ill-gotten gains because he was a lawyer, and they're generally dishonest, scheming, money grubbers Evil

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Garibaldi Sinatra
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2012-04-24 16:18:51 UTC
I think if you asked any goon should they be removed from eve? They would reply, "yes".


Do not! Deficate on my garden banquet said mr Mittens.....

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Anslo
Scope Works
#83 - 2012-04-24 16:20:24 UTC
Xander Riggs wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
Garnoo wrote:
you can control CCP too.... you just need to be so awesome (like The Mittani) to gather more than 25 000 gamers.... so stop whining
its not my fault you dont have so many friends!



No, you have to have someone with no life who wants to make their entire life about a video game.

It isn't a coincidence that the leader of the biggest alliance in Eve doesn't have a job.


I love that. No matter what game you play, the default response to anyone who's good at it, from people who are bad at it, is 'WELL I HAVE A REAL LIFE.'

Butthurt. Butthurt never changes.


I love that. No matter what game you play, the default response to anyone who can't spend all day on a game from people who do and are "good at it" is that their butthurt and using real life as an excuse.

Reality ineptitude. Reality ineptitude never changes.

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Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2012-04-24 16:21:48 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Meh. Eventually their monopoly will eff the economy up so much that most people will stop playing and move onto something else. At that point CCP will see that their game is doomed and the goons will have completed their mission; to ruin a game and everyone's good time, bankrupt a company, and shut down Eve. It's their goal and it has been all along.

But, CCP won't act on it, they never will.

Welp.



Wut?

Monopoly over what?

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Free The Mittani[/b]
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#85 - 2012-04-24 16:22:51 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Xander Riggs wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
Garnoo wrote:
you can control CCP too.... you just need to be so awesome (like The Mittani) to gather more than 25 000 gamers.... so stop whining
its not my fault you dont have so many friends!



No, you have to have someone with no life who wants to make their entire life about a video game.

It isn't a coincidence that the leader of the biggest alliance in Eve doesn't have a job.


I love that. No matter what game you play, the default response to anyone who's good at it, from people who are bad at it, is 'WELL I HAVE A REAL LIFE.'

Butthurt. Butthurt never changes.


I love that. No matter what game you play, the default response to anyone who can't spend all day on a game from people who do and are "good at it" is that their butthurt and using real life as an excuse.

Reality ineptitude. Reality ineptitude never changes.


Try harder. I don't think you're proving my point ENOUGH.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Anslo
Scope Works
#86 - 2012-04-24 16:23:36 UTC
Xander Riggs wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Xander Riggs wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
Garnoo wrote:
you can control CCP too.... you just need to be so awesome (like The Mittani) to gather more than 25 000 gamers.... so stop whining
its not my fault you dont have so many friends!



No, you have to have someone with no life who wants to make their entire life about a video game.

It isn't a coincidence that the leader of the biggest alliance in Eve doesn't have a job.


I love that. No matter what game you play, the default response to anyone who's good at it, from people who are bad at it, is 'WELL I HAVE A REAL LIFE.'

Butthurt. Butthurt never changes.


I love that. No matter what game you play, the default response to anyone who can't spend all day on a game from people who do and are "good at it" is that their butthurt and using real life as an excuse.

Reality ineptitude. Reality ineptitude never changes.


Try harder. I don't think you're proving my point ENOUGH.


You had a point?

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#87 - 2012-04-24 16:24:46 UTC
This has all happened before.

It will all happen again.

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Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2012-04-24 16:25:40 UTC
Zyress wrote:
It would be interesting if a large alliance interdicting game play in non-sov space could be made red to the the rest of the player base. i.e. anyone can shoot them without concorde involvement. of course it would only be fair that as they are red to everybody, everybody is red to them. No concorde if they shoot anyone either. Basically they are putting themselves in opposition to the rest of the player base though and I think all things being even, they are biting off more than they can chew doing that, but only if we can shoot them.



Now here comes an extraordinary idea..... brace yourself.... here it comes....


Declare war?

Usually that has the effect of setting the oposite side red.

Just saying.

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Free The Mittani[/b]
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#89 - 2012-04-24 16:27:09 UTC
This is why goons are violently opposed to anything that could make the game popular: They like being a big fish in a small pond.

They exist in games like WoW, but no one cares about them. Here they're the center of attention.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Tinnin Sylph
Perkone
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-04-24 16:29:19 UTC
Look at me, I'm so very pretty and special. I'm a pretty, pretty space girl. Look at meeeeeeeeee.....

Heh.
Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2012-04-24 16:29:37 UTC
Anslo wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...


Form an alliance.
Get Members
Defeat Goons
???
Profit

There you go.


something that you guys struggle to do time and time again.. i love dumb ass posts like this


I really like how people like you claim it's such a simple and easy effort to bring together an alliance of individuals to challenge the largest organization in Eve. Claiming this is a dumb ass post and that the concept is simple and anyone can do it shows absolutely no intelligence on your part.

That's like saying if you don't like oil prices and the monopoly oil companies have created, that I should go start my own oil company and run them down. There's this thing called resources. When one group controls all the resources you need to threaten them, there's nothing you can really do that would have a lasting impact. By the time anyone could amass a force large enough to take them down, they'd be 3x stronger than they were.

A REAL answer would be for all the nul alliances to realize that the goons are homogenizing 0.0 and that eventually, they'll run the whole thing and it's gg for eve. Unless they all come together and ruthless tear into the CFC in a completely and absolutely relentless attack that does not stop across all their territory, they can't be taken down.


You are wrong sir. What you said is exactly what he said.

A coallition is nothing more than an aliance of alliances.

Think harder next time.

[b]~ 10.058 ~

Free The Mittani[/b]
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#92 - 2012-04-24 16:31:08 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
This is why goons are violently opposed to anything that could make the game popular: They like being a big fish in a small pond.

They exist in games like WoW, but no one cares about them. Here they're the center of attention.


"Things that would make the game popular" is usually synonymous with "dilutory and pedantic simplification."

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Shegunna Blow
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2012-04-24 16:31:42 UTC
Welcome to the Sandbox.

You have two choices here, and the Goons have can NOT decide for you which one to take:

1. Deal with them and continue your standard routine. Accept possible consequences.
2. Move away from goon territory/target areas.

Noone has to go to Jita. No one has to mine when there is a planned, very public event occurring that endangers them.

If you don't want any outside influence in your game, why are you playing an MMO? Educate, adapt and all will be well... oh yeah, and HTFU.

-Shegunna Blow
Shukuzen Kiraa
F4G Wild Weasel
#94 - 2012-04-24 16:32:34 UTC
Everyone should just ignore them until they realize they arent getting the attention they want..cry, and quit eve.
Anslo
Scope Works
#95 - 2012-04-24 16:32:47 UTC
Welsige wrote:
Anslo wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...


Form an alliance.
Get Members
Defeat Goons
???
Profit

There you go.


something that you guys struggle to do time and time again.. i love dumb ass posts like this


I really like how people like you claim it's such a simple and easy effort to bring together an alliance of individuals to challenge the largest organization in Eve. Claiming this is a dumb ass post and that the concept is simple and anyone can do it shows absolutely no intelligence on your part.

That's like saying if you don't like oil prices and the monopoly oil companies have created, that I should go start my own oil company and run them down. There's this thing called resources. When one group controls all the resources you need to threaten them, there's nothing you can really do that would have a lasting impact. By the time anyone could amass a force large enough to take them down, they'd be 3x stronger than they were.

A REAL answer would be for all the nul alliances to realize that the goons are homogenizing 0.0 and that eventually, they'll run the whole thing and it's gg for eve. Unless they all come together and ruthless tear into the CFC in a completely and absolutely relentless attack that does not stop across all their territory, they can't be taken down.


You are wrong sir. What you said is exactly what he said.

A coallition is nothing more than an aliance of alliances.

Think harder next time.


There's a difference between 1 alliance building up from scratch with no resources and a coalition of multiple well established and well built alliances with SOME resources not controlled by Goons.

Think harder next time.

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Garibaldi Sinatra
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2012-04-24 16:34:00 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
This has all happened before.

It will all happen again.




Your avatar is the spitting image of Odo from DS9

**Conquering Eve Online One Pint at a time. **(Excuse my bad spelling and or grammar ive never really valued such things especially when everyone knows what im saying regardless)
Anslo
Scope Works
#97 - 2012-04-24 16:35:01 UTC
Shegunna Blow wrote:
Welcome to the Sandbox.

You have two choices here, and the Goons have can NOT decide for you which one to take:

1. Deal with them and continue your standard routine. Accept possible consequences.
2. Move away from goon territory/target areas.

Noone has to go to Jita. No one has to mine when there is a planned, very public event occurring that endangers them.

If you don't want any outside influence in your game, why are you playing an MMO? Educate, adapt and all will be well... oh yeah, and HTFU.

-Shegunna Blow


Standard combat aside, they do grief economically. By holding all the tech moons, they could do whatever they want in terms of economic warfare. If goons one day decide "eff CCP," they could destroy the entire market, across every Empire. It's not just a matter of physically avoiding them. They can attack anyone physically or through the wallet via inflation.

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Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#98 - 2012-04-24 16:35:59 UTC
Anslo wrote:

There's a difference between 1 alliance building up from scratch with no resources and a coalition of multiple well established and well built alliances with SOME resources not controlled by Goons.

Think harder next time.


No, there isn't. The only difference is time spent acquiring the resources. Do you think all those 0.0 alliances just popped into existence with their resources laid out for them? They had to take them from someone.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#99 - 2012-04-24 16:37:35 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Shegunna Blow wrote:
Welcome to the Sandbox.

You have two choices here, and the Goons have can NOT decide for you which one to take:

1. Deal with them and continue your standard routine. Accept possible consequences.
2. Move away from goon territory/target areas.

Noone has to go to Jita. No one has to mine when there is a planned, very public event occurring that endangers them.

If you don't want any outside influence in your game, why are you playing an MMO? Educate, adapt and all will be well... oh yeah, and HTFU.

-Shegunna Blow


Standard combat aside, they do grief economically. By holding all the tech moons, they could do whatever they want in terms of economic warfare. If goons one day decide "eff CCP," they could destroy the entire market, across every Empire. It's not just a matter of physically avoiding them. They can attack anyone physically or through the wallet via inflation.


I'm not sure what game you think you're playing. They control those moons through perfectly legal and valid mechanics. You will just hav to accept that New Eden is a scary place full of bad people.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Anslo
Scope Works
#100 - 2012-04-24 16:38:39 UTC
Xander Riggs wrote:
Anslo wrote:

There's a difference between 1 alliance building up from scratch with no resources and a coalition of multiple well established and well built alliances with SOME resources not controlled by Goons.

Think harder next time.


No, there isn't. The only difference is time spent acquiring the resources. Do you think all those 0.0 alliances just popped into existence with their resources laid out for them? They had to take them from someone.


Yes, this is true. But consider the following;

If I decide to start an alliance right now and spend three years building it up to the point that it could take on the goons right now, in 2012, do you really think that the goons influence and power would stay stagnant and not grow over the same three years?

By 2015, I could have my alliance attack the goons, but they would be 3 years stronger with god knows what and still decimate us. This goes back to some arguments regarding the difference in alliances established long ago versus new start ups and temporal inequality, but that's another story.

Bottom line, there is a difference, and no matter how much a new alliance builds up, the goons would always have that very VERY large head start. To think otherwise is simply ignorant, Mr. Goon-Alt.

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