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CCP - Why are we allowing one alliance to control eve?
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Garibaldi Sinatra
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2012-04-24 15:55:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Garibaldi Sinatra
Whitehound wrote:
One can win EVE now?



Do not ask how, my white bearded friend; Instead ask why...



(ok i just re-read that he totally said now not how - just play along with it)

**Conquering Eve Online One Pint at a time. **(Excuse my bad spelling and or grammar ive never really valued such things especially when everyone knows what im saying regardless)
evereplicant
Doomheim
#62 - 2012-04-24 15:57:07 UTC
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...


Form an alliance.
Get Members
Defeat Goons
???
Profit

There you go.


something that you guys struggle to do time and time again.. i love dumb ass posts like this
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#63 - 2012-04-24 15:59:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Dragon Outlaw
Because 0.0 is now a Risk Board game.
Gericho Sane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2012-04-24 15:59:45 UTC
They got to where they are by playing the game, if you don't like that, then do something about it. Complaining doesn't get results.
RAP ACTION HERO
#65 - 2012-04-24 15:59:57 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...


Form an alliance.
Get Members
Defeat Goons
???
Profit

There you go.


something that you guys struggle to do time and time again.. i love dumb ass posts like this

hey let's have more goon threads.

vitoc erryday
Forum Harlot
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-04-24 16:00:13 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
One can win EVE now?


Yes, one can.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#67 - 2012-04-24 16:00:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
Because 0.0 is now a Risk Board game.


a bit more accurate

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Garibaldi Sinatra
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2012-04-24 16:00:39 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...


Form an alliance.
Get Members
Defeat Goons
???
Profit

There you go.


something that you guys struggle to do time and time again.. i love dumb ass posts like this









AND what is stopping anyone , any of YOU. Anyone else from doing the exact same thing; even counteracting this 'evil' ?

**Conquering Eve Online One Pint at a time. **(Excuse my bad spelling and or grammar ive never really valued such things especially when everyone knows what im saying regardless)
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2012-04-24 16:00:43 UTC
i love it every time that some hisec miner talks about HITTING THE GOONS WHERE IT HURTS

then they realize that it doesn't involve making isk

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-04-24 16:01:16 UTC
It would be interesting if a large alliance interdicting game play in non-sov space could be made red to the the rest of the player base. i.e. anyone can shoot them without concorde involvement. of course it would only be fair that as they are red to everybody, everybody is red to them. No concorde if they shoot anyone either. Basically they are putting themselves in opposition to the rest of the player base though and I think all things being even, they are biting off more than they can chew doing that, but only if we can shoot them.
Anslo
Scope Works
#71 - 2012-04-24 16:02:05 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...


Form an alliance.
Get Members
Defeat Goons
???
Profit

There you go.


something that you guys struggle to do time and time again.. i love dumb ass posts like this


I really like how people like you claim it's such a simple and easy effort to bring together an alliance of individuals to challenge the largest organization in Eve. Claiming this is a dumb ass post and that the concept is simple and anyone can do it shows absolutely no intelligence on your part.

That's like saying if you don't like oil prices and the monopoly oil companies have created, that I should go start my own oil company and run them down. There's this thing called resources. When one group controls all the resources you need to threaten them, there's nothing you can really do that would have a lasting impact. By the time anyone could amass a force large enough to take them down, they'd be 3x stronger than they were.

A REAL answer would be for all the nul alliances to realize that the goons are homogenizing 0.0 and that eventually, they'll run the whole thing and it's gg for eve. Unless they all come together and ruthless tear into the CFC in a completely and absolutely relentless attack that does not stop across all their territory, they can't be taken down.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#72 - 2012-04-24 16:02:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Nirnias Stirrum
evereplicant wrote:
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
evereplicant wrote:
So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...


Form an alliance.
Get Members
Defeat Goons
???
Profit

There you go.


something that you guys struggle to do time and time again.. i love dumb ass posts like this


Coming from the dumb ass who created this topic that doesnt really mean much, i mean your basicly saying this just not as obviously.

"Look im to lazy to actually do anything about it, but i think that goons have far to much influence in the game, and no i dont care that they put a load of effort into becoming so powerful or how many years it took them or how much ISK they spent to make it so or the campaigns they run, i am not happy with it. CCP do something about it for me because im far to lazy and would not have even half the intellect to be able to successfully direct and control campaigns similiar to the ones goons have done over the years

*Stamps feet in a tantrum*
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT CCP I DONT WANT TO CAUSE IM A LAZY FUC.KING GIT"

true story
Tinnin Sylph
Perkone
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-04-24 16:04:44 UTC
If you strike us down, we shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

Well, that or we'll just go "Heh" and keep right on controlling your game.

Heh.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#74 - 2012-04-24 16:06:26 UTC
mo0, BoB, Goons. They come and go at the whims of other players. Working as intended.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Anslo
Scope Works
#75 - 2012-04-24 16:11:52 UTC
And on top of my previous comment, you would have to throw away all sense of morality (if such a thing exists on Eve).

You'd need to think as Machiavelli did, the ends justify the means. Lie, cheat, steal, betray, harass, and metagame to an appropriate degree and you'd be able to destroy the goons completely. It is only when we become the enemy can we defeat the enemy.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Garibaldi Sinatra
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2012-04-24 16:13:37 UTC
Anslo wrote:
And on top of my previous comment, you would have to throw away all sense of morality (if such a thing exists on Eve).

You'd need to think as Machiavelli did, the ends justify the means. Lie, cheat, steal, betray, harass, and metagame to an appropriate degree and you'd be able to destroy the goons completely. It is only when we become the enemy can we defeat the enemy.




Fact is i think the only people who care THAT much are the ones whining about thier Sandy-box (sandy vagina)

**Conquering Eve Online One Pint at a time. **(Excuse my bad spelling and or grammar ive never really valued such things especially when everyone knows what im saying regardless)
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2012-04-24 16:15:14 UTC
Garnoo wrote:
you can control CCP too.... you just need to be so awesome (like The Mittani) to gather more than 25 000 gamers.... so stop whining
its not my fault you dont have so many friends!



No, you have to have someone with no life who wants to make their entire life about a video game.

It isn't a coincidence that the leader of the biggest alliance in Eve doesn't have a job.

Don't violence me bro!
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#78 - 2012-04-24 16:16:42 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
Garnoo wrote:
you can control CCP too.... you just need to be so awesome (like The Mittani) to gather more than 25 000 gamers.... so stop whining
its not my fault you dont have so many friends!



No, you have to have someone with no life who wants to make their entire life about a video game.

It isn't a coincidence that the leader of the biggest alliance in Eve doesn't have a job.


I love that. No matter what game you play, the default response to anyone who's good at it, from people who are bad at it, is 'WELL I HAVE A REAL LIFE.'

Butthurt. Butthurt never changes.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-04-24 16:17:08 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
Garnoo wrote:
you can control CCP too.... you just need to be so awesome (like The Mittani) to gather more than 25 000 gamers.... so stop whining
its not my fault you dont have so many friends!



No, you have to have someone with no life who wants to make their entire life about a video game.

It isn't a coincidence that the leader of the biggest alliance in Eve doesn't have a job.


Now that, I believe.
Anslo
Scope Works
#80 - 2012-04-24 16:17:17 UTC
Garibaldi Sinatra wrote:
Anslo wrote:
And on top of my previous comment, you would have to throw away all sense of morality (if such a thing exists on Eve).

You'd need to think as Machiavelli did, the ends justify the means. Lie, cheat, steal, betray, harass, and metagame to an appropriate degree and you'd be able to destroy the goons completely. It is only when we become the enemy can we defeat the enemy.




Fact is i think the only people who care THAT much are the ones whining about thier Sandy-box (sandy vagina)


I think people care that have the military capabilities, they're just cowards in regards to political fall out and taking a risk.

But yes, high sec people, the majority of subscribers, the one's most pissed about goons and their economic warfare and harassment against them, are the vocal group about this. If a few thousand ships went up against a goon fleet, it wouldn't matter if they were mission fit or not. 10,000 pieces of ammo flying at a ship is 10,000 pieces of ammo regardless of whether you pvp or pve.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]