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Off Gride Command Bonuses Please don't nerf them.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#101 - 2012-04-24 09:36:50 UTC
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Allrigth, throwing in my two cents on this matter, after reading most but not all of the posts to thei thread are about Combat activities, but to be honest, not all aspects in Eve are just combat focused, please remember about the industrials / miners which enjoy the bonus given from a Off grid Rorqual or Ecellent skilled Orca pilot beeing on Safe spot or under POS FF, Remove the complete Off grid Boost will hurt them such massively Miners will get another knife in their back brougth to them by CCP and favorited by the whiney PvPlers not beeing able to find a solution for enemy boosters.

Most of you PvPlers brougth very valid points but selfish and egoistic like most of yours are forget there are other aspects jobs wihtin Eve also profiting from this Off grid bonus......So please....Stop whinning find another solution then removing Off grid Boosts PERIOD.



Sure was worth digging up a ~25day old post for this? P

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Khumar Taarr-Sett
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2012-04-24 09:45:05 UTC
Just a couple of questions here.

Would having an on grid requirement increase the load on the server at all?

What would you guys think about a Counter Warfare link module? Could be system wide link dampening and/or revealing any active warfare (not foreman) linking ships as a warp to point for fleet members. Yeah it would be tricky to implement but could be fun. Maybe these modules could keep some CS's off grid while allowing a counter and perhaps it would lead to new tactics.
Elisha Starkiller
EU Industrials
#103 - 2012-04-24 10:15:08 UTC
Death to no risk off grid boosters!!!!!

really they are spoiling small gang pvp, if you want the boost they should be on grid to take effect! make command ships worth it again!

me out!
Aedron
Aedron Holding.
#104 - 2012-04-24 11:34:11 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Command ships should give better bonuses than the do it all T3s anyway, and yes command linking ships should be on grid with their fleet.


This. I'd like to see the numbers for nerfing the boost-bonus in a T3.
A command ship is built for that and has that purpose, thus should be giving the best boost possible in-game if fit right,
and not the Tengu (taking the Shield example of tengu/35% vs. Vulture/31%).

I for one will be looking forward to the nerf. I'm not in favor of removing the OGB ability, but will take the T3 nerf.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#105 - 2012-04-24 11:49:24 UTC
Drew Solaert wrote:
How is an a pro 1v1 pvper going to work if you can't have your off grid booster! Shock Horror!


Don't forget your covops alt to scout, and falcon alt in case your "solo" pvp starts to go all hairy like :P
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#106 - 2012-04-24 11:58:28 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Drew Solaert wrote:
How is an a pro 1v1 pvper going to work if you can't have your off grid booster! Shock Horror!


Don't forget your covops alt to scout, and falcon alt in case your "solo" pvp starts to go all hairy like :P


It's just the insurance vs the other '1' guy who has a cyno, titanbridge and hundreds-of-alliancemates online.

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VaMei
Meafi Corp
#107 - 2012-04-24 12:31:56 UTC
E man Industries wrote:
AraniFyr wrote:
It should be on grid...too big of an advantage for such low risk

Agreed, how ever command ships are primary....they need mor eof a buffer when boosting to exist on grid.


What if Supers were given the bonus to gang links too?

Give Command ships the 5% bonus, so they have a purpose in small to medium fights.
Give T3s the 3% bonus so they can support black-ops teams, and be the Swiss Army knife, with out rendering Command ships obsolete in conventional fights.
Give the Supers a 3% bonus and 3 links so they can support fleets in major combat.

That would solve the buffer problem in fleet fights, give Supers a purpose again, make Command ships the best at their single purpose, and get the gang boosters on the battlefield without having them evaporate before they drop out of warp.
Barakkus
#108 - 2012-04-24 14:29:57 UTC
Make them be on grid, half the people I know won't pvp anymore without an OG booster, it's lame.

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Holy One
Privat Party
#109 - 2012-04-24 18:05:30 UTC
AraniFyr wrote:
It should be on grid...too big of an advantage for such low risk

:)
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#110 - 2012-04-24 19:09:37 UTC
Neddy Fox wrote:
A fleet command ship belongs in the frontline.

Attention

Remove standings and insurance.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#111 - 2012-04-24 19:18:50 UTC
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Allrigth, throwing in my two cents on this matter, after reading most but not all of the posts to thei thread are about Combat activities, but to be honest, not all aspects in Eve are just combat focused, please remember about the industrials / miners which enjoy the bonus given from a Off grid Rorqual or Ecellent skilled Orca pilot beeing on Safe spot or under POS FF, Remove the complete Off grid Boost will hurt them such massively Miners will get another knife in their back brougth to them by CCP and favorited by the whiney PvPlers not beeing able to find a solution for enemy boosters.

Most of you PvPlers brougth very valid points but selfish and egoistic like most of yours are forget there are other aspects jobs wihtin Eve also profiting from this Off grid bonus......So please....Stop whinning find another solution then removing Off grid Boosts PERIOD.

If you're not willing to risk or protect your boosting orca in your belt, you should't be in that belt in the first place.

No support for offgrid boosting.

Remove standings and insurance.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2012-04-24 19:30:45 UTC
Pro-tip: You have access to offgrid boosting as well.

Opps...sorry for pointing that out. If you don't want to be a booster or don't want to put it off grid since you want to be in the action....why is that a problem? Remember, you can do this too and I don't see a problem if you pull the same **** as the other guy...except its when the other guy pulls this **** because he can "meta-game" better then you by putting his booster off grid (remember, you too can catch the booster before it flies off grid...if you can't then you deserve to lose BUT you have the option to bring your own booster). Its not risk, its adapting how to win while reducing risk and EVE being EVE....nothing is fair or riskless unless its actually exploiting the game like Monkeysphere going invisiable to local Roll
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2012-04-24 19:38:40 UTC
Can't wait for offgrid boosting to be nerfed to oblivion. There will be an ocean of tears that day!

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#114 - 2012-04-24 20:05:04 UTC
I'm inclined to keep off grid as is.

What I would recommend, though, is that if inside a POS shield , the modules don't work.

This keeps a balance between aggressor and defender in that both can scan and destroy the others booster ships. This goes for Rorqs as well. I see no reason to have to take out a POS just to kill a booster. Way to unbalanced.

Mr Epeen Cool
Crazyy Ivann
Doomheim
#115 - 2012-05-01 11:33:20 UTC
So the people who currently utilize the tactic with offgrid booster cries because a lot of their advantage will go down the drain when you suddenly will have to drastically change your semi-afk tengu alt tactic, to a very much active role on the battlefield for effective bonuses.

In theory this is not a bad thing, we will probably see tengu pilots being sold on the char bazaar for half of current prices.

But also the command-ship pilots that usually are on grid wants more because they think they have too little EHP on their ships afraid of alpha and want MORE ehp, which will be just as bad, since a ship with stupid high EHP will never be primaried (until the fight is won by other means) so command-ships will just be a necessary evil in all fleets, never killing stuff, never getting killed.

It's all just a game of who gets the most advantage at any given point, it's hard to tell what is right and what is wrong.

But i do agree something should be done, but i don't think the solution is as easy as some people seem to think.
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2012-07-27 05:37:13 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Fleet boosters belong on grid. Do whatever you have to do to balance them properly but they belong on grid.

No support for the OP here.


you sound as butt hurt as everyone else wanting them nerfed when you invade a system and they got someone boosting their fleet. you know what this is called right? Home ground advantage. yeah you too can bring one in and hide in system somewhere.

You do realize that this will affect not just command ship pilots but also orca/Rorq pilots.

This is just a stupid idea to force booster pilots on grid. not my fault if you do not have a booster pilot in your fleet helping.

I do agree on one thing. the T3 Strat Cruisers, yes their boosting power needs to be nerfed. It shouldnever have exceeded the command ship bonuses as this is a very specialized path of training.

If CCP does nerf the command ships to where they need to be on grid i will not bother re upping that accounts subscription
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#117 - 2012-07-27 05:46:52 UTC
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Fleet boosters belong on grid. Do whatever you have to do to balance them properly but they belong on grid.

No support for the OP here.


you sound as butt hurt as everyone else wanting them nerfed when you invade a system and they got someone boosting their fleet. you know what this is called right? Home ground advantage. yeah you too can bring one in and hide in system somewhere.

You do realize that this will affect not just command ship pilots but also orca/Rorq pilots.

This is just a stupid idea to force booster pilots on grid. not my fault if you do not have a booster pilot in your fleet helping.

I do agree on one thing. the T3 Strat Cruisers, yes their boosting power needs to be nerfed. It shouldnever have exceeded the command ship bonuses as this is a very specialized path of training.

If CCP does nerf the command ships to where they need to be on grid i will not bother re upping that accounts subscription


wow i actually agree with you

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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2012-07-27 07:24:53 UTC  |  Edited by: MotherMoon
NERF THEM

everyone has maxxed out boster skills by now anyways. so both sides have all boosters running at full in every fright off grid.

This makes combat slate and boring. If everyone gets 10% more shields and 10% more armor, does either side really have an advantage? I mean whats the point if both sides get an unkillable boost from off grid? might as well not even have them in the game if that's the case.

Bring them into combat zone gives them risk vs reward. meaning the side that's willing to risk more wins.

the people that don't want them nerfed are the whiners, they don't want to have to bring command ships, they don't want to have to risk anything.



oh and if the goal of the whiners in here is you want a home field advantage then they can introduce system wide command modules for POS. maybe weaker than normal command ships, but just as safe as off grid boosting. But killable.

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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2012-07-27 07:31:32 UTC
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Allrigth, throwing in my two cents on this matter, after reading most but not all of the posts to thei thread are about Combat activities, but to be honest, not all aspects in Eve are just combat focused, please remember about the industrials / miners which enjoy the bonus given from a Off grid Rorqual or Ecellent skilled Orca pilot beeing on Safe spot or under POS FF, Remove the complete Off grid Boost will hurt them such massively Miners will get another knife in their back brougth to them by CCP and favorited by the whiney PvPlers not beeing able to find a solution for enemy boosters.

Most of you PvPlers brougth very valid points but selfish and egoistic like most of yours are forget there are other aspects jobs wihtin Eve also profiting from this Off grid bonus......So please....Stop whinning find another solution then removing Off grid Boosts PERIOD.



They could just make those non pvp ships ignore the on grid rule, come on, think outside the box

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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#120 - 2012-07-27 07:47:41 UTC
Having boosters not being on grid is akin to cheating. The command ships have a decent enough tank to withstand some punishment, and T3 boosters with 5 links should die fast and in a fire.

I vote for on grid or no boost.

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