EVE General Discussion

The fact that it would be horribly imprecise and indirect, to the point where it wouldn't be connected to how you move the joystick.

The same reason: the translation would be broken, disconnected, jerky, and completely devoid of any precision of feedback — iow, it would lack every last thing that would make joystick control useful.

WiS stays cause if they took it out all the WiS nerds would quit and theyve had enough of that this summer

Or ... WiS stays because it is one of the logical evolutions in building a comprehensive science fiction universe that caters for a variety of different play-styles in the same sandbox. (Must be a separate game though ... )

For some, it is a big deal. The idea of commanding a spaceship is what drew me into the game in the first place. Then I fell in love with its [more or less] open-ended environment, rules, and "wild west" atmosphere... and the official lore plays pretty well into those things without getting too specific (which has spawned a whole host of fanfiction and role playing communities).


This I can more or less agree with. There should always be a door open to player-oriented destruction in some form or another!

For the record, I Agree with the OP I Cant see how it could strain the servers, if you left the controls still at the mercy of transveral speeds. I mean you dont need milliseconds, you need a tenth at most. And thats one simple command. Same as you can do now with double click. IT would be pretty sweet. Also I think all ships could do this, I mean a BS wouldnt require much to move with a joystick lol.

BTW im not a fan of this changing the way combat works.
You should still have to target and rely on gun tracking, and all the other stuff that is normal, just give us a cockpit view and allow control of space flight.

…and in doing so, you've increased the amount of traffic required to go to and from the server by a factor of 10, at the very least, but in reality it will be much higher since people don't actually constantly double-click in space once a second. If they do it on average once every 30 seconds, you've increased the traffic by a factor of 300.

Now multiply that with everyone that needs to be informed about these changes. Suddenly, it's 300¹⁰⁰× more data to handle for a medium-sized fight.

The reason it works in other games is because there are very few people that need to be updated with every change. The only game that I've seen come close to doing it was Planetside, and that's because it was almost all client-side, with everyone else extrapolating from very few data points that were actually sent to the server, causing all kinds of issues as far as looks and hit detection (and cheating) was concerned. Oh, and polling a joystick once every 0.1s is still very very imprecise if it needs to be sent to the server for processing and then returned. If you've ever tried precise mouse manipulation when the cursor moves at 3fps, you'll have a good idea at what you can expect.



Really, the fundamental problem is that movement in EVE is about discrete vectors, not about smooth motion through the manipulation of yaw rates, and it's really the latter that a joystick lets you manipulate precisely.

Lets continue with the math.

Suppose there are 200 people in a fleet fight.
Each additional bit has to be relayed to every other person in the fight.

So we fire up the calculator and find that each additional bit per client results in an increase of (n * (n+1)) /2
So in a 200 person fleet fight adding in joystick support results in sending 20,100 bits for each bit of additional information.

Theres a good reason why most games don't do joystick control once the player count starts being measured in the hundreds

no, you are in a pod.

I would consider it for bombers/fighters though. Like remote control of drones by guys in texas flying aroudn in afghanistan.

"take controls of fighter/bomber of corpmate"

Ah this topic again. Once about every three months it rears its ugly head. Simply put; joystick mode is not EVE.

I would say there are already enough twitch games around and more coming in the pipeline I prefer being in my pod controlling the ship via mind control rather than joystick.

Also I think the way WIS could be progressing is very interesting.

I really like the exploration ideas they were talking about at Fanfest and I would much rather be able to disembark and go exploring or having some public places in stations than be able to control my Rifter with a joystick.