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The Thing That is Wrong With Eve
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scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-04-24 00:08:31 UTC  |  Edited by: scooter Kondur
Free Speech

It seems to me that as of late that there are a lot of whiners complaining about everything and anyone that doesn't fit the norm. Much more then usual.

Sorry to say guys it is the different people that make Eve special. If you want to continue to ruin your game keep it up. People are always complaining about how CCP caters to the carebears (or whatever group) and how the game is continuously being dumbed down. This, lets call it pussification, of the game needs to stop. The constant rule changing, rule bending and silencing of individuals to appease the vocal minority of whiners needs to stop. I really see this as becoming a serious issue because of the partnership between Sony and CCP for Dust. Is Sony going to further strongarm CCP into adopting their PR policies?

If you can't take a joke, a troll or off the cuff remark then you need to HTFU.

That being said I will viciously troll you if you spew *** hate or any hate in my local but I will defend your right to your own views as well.

P.S. I was mad, had a cookie and now I'm ok
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#2 - 2012-04-24 00:21:25 UTC
Free speech is relative. Always has been.
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-04-24 00:24:03 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Free speech is relative. Always has been.


I think what you are talking about are lines that people shouldn't cross. I disagree, if you don't explore and push the boundaries then you are destined to live in a box.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#4 - 2012-04-24 00:25:51 UTC
scooter Kondur wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Free speech is relative. Always has been.


I think what you are talking about are lines that people shouldn't cross. I disagree, if you don't explore and push the boundaries then you are destined to live in a box.

We already live in a box. Those that go outside it end up in [insert terrible place to be].

Anyway feel free to cross whatever arbitrary lines someone decides on. Just be prepared to face whatever consequences may be brought.
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-04-24 00:28:44 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Free speech is relative. Always has been.


I think what you are talking about are lines that people shouldn't cross. I disagree, if you don't explore and push the boundaries then you are destined to live in a box.

We already live in a box. Those that go outside it end up in [insert terrible place to be].

Anyway feel free to cross whatever arbitrary lines someone decides on. Just be prepared to face whatever consequences may be brought.


That is the point. There shouldn't be rules instituted to dissuade people from doing so. If you are so offended by what someone says you have a number of options to pursue, one of which should never be the silencing of that person.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#6 - 2012-04-24 00:31:12 UTC
scooter Kondur wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Free speech is relative. Always has been.


I think what you are talking about are lines that people shouldn't cross. I disagree, if you don't explore and push the boundaries then you are destined to live in a box.

We already live in a box. Those that go outside it end up in [insert terrible place to be].

Anyway feel free to cross whatever arbitrary lines someone decides on. Just be prepared to face whatever consequences may be brought.


That is the point. There shouldn't be rules instituted to dissuade people from doing so. If you are so offended by what someone says you have a number of options to pursue, one of which should never be the silencing of that person.

I don't think posting terrible, barely literate crap on the internet really constitutes any kind of "out of the box" behavior. Its just annoying and disruptive.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#7 - 2012-04-24 00:36:34 UTC
scooter Kondur wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Free speech is relative. Always has been.


I think what you are talking about are lines that people shouldn't cross. I disagree, if you don't explore and push the boundaries then you are destined to live in a box.

We already live in a box. Those that go outside it end up in [insert terrible place to be].

Anyway feel free to cross whatever arbitrary lines someone decides on. Just be prepared to face whatever consequences may be brought.


That is the point. There shouldn't be rules instituted to dissuade people from doing so. If you are so offended by what someone says you have a number of options to pursue, one of which should never be the silencing of that person.

When you own your forum you can have your free speech. Doesn't change that others can dictate how their forums will be used.
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-04-24 00:45:19 UTC  |  Edited by: scooter Kondur
Corina Jarr wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Free speech is relative. Always has been.


I think what you are talking about are lines that people shouldn't cross. I disagree, if you don't explore and push the boundaries then you are destined to live in a box.

We already live in a box. Those that go outside it end up in [insert terrible place to be].

Anyway feel free to cross whatever arbitrary lines someone decides on. Just be prepared to face whatever consequences may be brought.


That is the point. There shouldn't be rules instituted to dissuade people from doing so. If you are so offended by what someone says you have a number of options to pursue, one of which should never be the silencing of that person.

When you own your forum you can have your free speech. Doesn't change that others can dictate how their forums will be used.


This of course is the logic that leads to the slippery slope that EVE is moving towards. What is next, no trolling ever, no spamming in Jita ever, sounds nice right? After that no more scamming, no more corp thieving, no more can flipping? How about no more non-consensual PVP? How far down do we need to go until the game is no fun for anyone anymore?

The point that you are all missing in this is that CCP will no longer be calling the shots. A few nagging calls from Play Station parents about how their son Billy so loved Dust that he created an EVE account and was promptly scammed out of everything he owned, and that someone ought to do something to keep that sort of thing from happening again?

Won't happen you say? You have never worked in customer service. Watch and see I guess. But I will continue to defend the trolls so long as I can because once they go, who will be next?
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#9 - 2012-04-24 00:56:54 UTC
I don't care where the line in the sand ends up being drawn, as long as you spamming the forums with crap every night is on the side that ends up getting axed.

You can cry about whatever you want, trolling is trolling and its against the tos. Some leniency is fine, but you regularly create intentionally pointless, inane or rubbish threads that bury the few decent threads that get posted here. It wouldn't be so bad if you were imaginative enough to be an entertaining troll.

Anyway, you should just be banned under the tos, and we should all be allowed to move on and forget you exist.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-04-24 00:58:07 UTC
I wondered why my tinfoil stocks were going crazy. I then found out that scooter had posted.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-04-24 01:10:56 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
I don't care where the line in the sand ends up being drawn, as long as you spamming the forums with crap every night is on the side that ends up getting axed.

You can cry about whatever you want, trolling is trolling and its against the tos. Some leniency is fine, but you regularly create intentionally pointless, inane or rubbish threads that bury the few decent threads that get posted here. It wouldn't be so bad if you were imaginative enough to be an entertaining troll.

Anyway, you should just be banned under the tos, and we should all be allowed to move on and forget you exist.


TBH I have no idea what you are referring to. Possibly you are some sort of communist who doesn't like any form of dissent or you have absolutely no sense of humour. If you read my early post in this thread which I am certain you haven't, you are one of those people that need to HTFU.
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-04-24 01:12:21 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
I wondered why my tinfoil stocks were going crazy. I then found out that scooter had posted.



If been constantly vigilant and trying to ward of hate mongers and those that would oppress that weak requires a tin foil fat then I will take two.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#13 - 2012-04-24 01:14:51 UTC
Funny thing about free speech. It goes both ways.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#14 - 2012-04-24 01:15:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Simi Kusoni
scooter Kondur wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
I don't care where the line in the sand ends up being drawn, as long as you spamming the forums with crap every night is on the side that ends up getting axed.

You can cry about whatever you want, trolling is trolling and its against the tos. Some leniency is fine, but you regularly create intentionally pointless, inane or rubbish threads that bury the few decent threads that get posted here. It wouldn't be so bad if you were imaginative enough to be an entertaining troll.

Anyway, you should just be banned under the tos, and we should all be allowed to move on and forget you exist.


TBH I have no idea what you are referring to. Possibly you are some sort of communist who doesn't like any form of dissent or you have absolutely no sense of humour. If you read my early post in this thread which I am certain you haven't, you are one of those people that need to HTFU.

Obligatory umadbro.

In place of your being banned, I would also be satisfied should CCP choose to send you on an extensive humour training course instead. Currently you are about as amusing as catching crabs.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Ai Shun
#15 - 2012-04-24 01:33:01 UTC
scooter Kondur wrote:
It seems to me that as of late that there are a lot of whiners complaining about everything and anyone that doesn't fit the norm. Much more then usual.


I'm tempted to ask you how you reconcile this with your blind hatred and persecution of anything related to Goons; but I have a feeling that question might cause your brain to implode.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#16 - 2012-04-24 01:34:16 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:
It seems to me that as of late that there are a lot of whiners complaining about everything and anyone that doesn't fit the norm. Much more then usual.

I'm tempted to ask you how you reconcile this with your blind hatred and persecution of anything related to Goons; but I have a feeling that question might cause your brain to implode.

Hope he kept his clone up to date..

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-04-24 01:46:46 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Funny thing about free speech. It goes both ways.


Exactly.
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-04-24 01:47:40 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
I don't care where the line in the sand ends up being drawn, as long as you spamming the forums with crap every night is on the side that ends up getting axed.

You can cry about whatever you want, trolling is trolling and its against the tos. Some leniency is fine, but you regularly create intentionally pointless, inane or rubbish threads that bury the few decent threads that get posted here. It wouldn't be so bad if you were imaginative enough to be an entertaining troll.

Anyway, you should just be banned under the tos, and we should all be allowed to move on and forget you exist.


TBH I have no idea what you are referring to. Possibly you are some sort of communist who doesn't like any form of dissent or you have absolutely no sense of humour. If you read my early post in this thread which I am certain you haven't, you are one of those people that need to HTFU.

Obligatory umadbro.

In place of your being banned, I would also be satisfied should CCP choose to send you on an extensive humour training course instead. Currently you are about as amusing as catching crabs.


I am trying to decide which Jita ton of yours whose corn flakes it is that I peed on.
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-04-24 01:49:01 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
scooter Kondur wrote:
It seems to me that as of late that there are a lot of whiners complaining about everything and anyone that doesn't fit the norm. Much more then usual.


I'm tempted to ask you how you reconcile this with your blind hatred and persecution of anything related to Goons; but I have a feeling that question might cause your brain to implode.


You are taking that out of context and character. I am looking at the camera right now and breaking the 4th wall.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-04-24 02:03:02 UTC
Ill always be unhappy until i get a GM ship that looks like rifter


but then again...
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
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