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House of Murder, public release to IGS. Speech: "Tests of Faith"
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Lord of Murder
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-04-23 10:18:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord of Murder
The Jove conflict, Minmatar Rebellion, a heretic in one of our highest offices and the lack of clear success of the latest crusade. Events that many would attribute as tests to our faith, of things we will need to strive with and we must overcome.

These are not tests of faith.
These are signs!
Signs that we have failed tests that God has allowed.

Fleet lost to the Jove, was no test of faith.
We failed before the conflict. We failed in Gods command to stay vigilant and to continue to improve ourselves.
We failed and God allowed us to see the cost of our failure.

a Slave Rebellion, was no test of faith.
We failed before the rebellion. We were not vigilant for the souls under our guidance and we allowed the unjust to rule among us.
We failed and God allowed us to see the cost of our failure.

a Heretic in Empires court, was no test of faith.
We failed before he was found. We were not vigilant and question why our chancellor failed to follow the will of God. We did not put to question the delays in getting our Emperor elected.
We failed and God showed us the cost of our Failure.

How vigilant are you?
How soon before God allows you to see the cost of failure in a test of Faith?

Lord Crow.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-04-23 11:31:04 UTC
Nice shirt.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-04-23 17:50:32 UTC
Halete wrote:
Nice shirt.


It is lovely!

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#4 - 2012-04-23 18:01:11 UTC
I can not say that I disagree.
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#5 - 2012-04-23 23:03:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Graelyn
You speak words with meaning.

Stagnation and the tolerance of it have long been the greatest enemy the Empire has ever faced.

As for Karsoth...some did question...

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#6 - 2012-04-24 02:14:46 UTC
Subject matter aside, I dont believe this man qualifies for having his thread derailed to sate peoples more sadistic tendencies.

**Vherokior **
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-04-24 03:10:05 UTC
N'maro Makari wrote:
Subject matter aside, I dont believe this man qualifies for having his thread derailed to sate peoples more sadistic tendencies.


Considering he most likely wants to burn you or see you in chains, I find your support of him amusing.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#8 - 2012-04-24 03:26:37 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
N'maro Makari wrote:
Subject matter aside, I dont believe this man qualifies for having his thread derailed to sate peoples more sadistic tendencies.


Considering he most likely wants to burn you or see you in chains, I find your support of him amusing.



I know, right? Fight 'em!
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2012-04-24 10:14:32 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
N'maro Makari wrote:
Subject matter aside, I dont believe this man qualifies for having his thread derailed to sate peoples more sadistic tendencies.


Considering he most likely wants to burn you or see you in chains, I find your support of him amusing.



Question of ethics, I guess.
Nakal Ashera
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-04-24 11:57:19 UTC
... Hmm.

That is, I might say, a rather roundabout manner to express a rather - well, I hesitate to say, but - somewhat "Un-Amarrian" sentiment of pragmatism and self improvement.

In fact, were I to strike a few choice words (namely, the capitalized ones) I could almost say it promotes an areligious mindset, actually. To deal with issues directly and appropriately, even if it means subverting the system somewhat - shaking things up rather then relying on, well, faith, and the existing strength of the system.

A step closer to the State then many others in the Empire would be prepared to take, perhaps.

Erm, but still. That's perhaps a little broad and unfocused a message, don't you think?
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#11 - 2012-04-24 15:22:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mensha Khael Crow
Graelyn wrote:
You speak words with meaning.

Stagnation and the tolerance of it have long been the greatest enemy the Empire has ever faced.

As for Karsoth...some did question...


Some certainly questioned, but hardly enough of Amarrians that we could justly call these more than individuals or at best small groups. Tolerance of sin among us should always be counted as our greatest enemy I believe. Though I do not seek to challenge calls against stagnation either cardinal.

Nakal Ashera wrote:
... Hmm.

That is, I might say, a rather roundabout manner to express a rather - well, I hesitate to say, but - somewhat "Un-Amarrian" sentiment of pragmatism and self improvement.

In fact, were I to strike a few choice words (namely, the capitalized ones) I could almost say it promotes an areligious mindset, actually. To deal with issues directly and appropriately, even if it means subverting the system somewhat - shaking things up rather then relying on, well, faith, and the existing strength of the system.

A step closer to the State then many others in the Empire would be prepared to take, perhaps.

Erm, but still. That's perhaps a little broad and unfocused a message, don't you think?


Hm. I believe your interpretation of Lord Crows speech may suffer from a different social upbringing. What pray tell is "un-Amarrian pragmatism and self-improvement"? I doubt you will find many a member of clergy to support the notion that the faithfull should not strive to improve themselves in eyes of God, for one.

I believe the speech also directs us to place stronger faith in God, even when this faith may direct us to question some parts of our wordly constructs. It places faith that the inherent strength of the system benefits from questioning when we have doubt that a portion of the system remains faithfull in adherence to Gods will. If in nothing else then in leading us to better understand how that part of our system indeed follows the mandates of God.

As for the real focus of the speech, that might indeed be clearer for those with closer understanding of the Amarrians in general ms. Ashera.

M.K.Crow.

ps. Or as Lord Crow pointed to me, it takes a proper lense to focus light into a laser.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#12 - 2012-04-24 15:43:07 UTC  |  Edited by: N'maro Makari
Silas Vitalia wrote:
N'maro Makari wrote:
Subject matter aside, I dont believe this man qualifies for having his thread derailed to sate peoples more sadistic tendencies.


Considering he most likely wants to burn you or see you in chains, I find your support of him amusing.



I can accept the IGS is a place where all have a right to speak. Regardless of how I feel of their opinions that is what the IGS was designed for.

Considering that the most people participating in an actual discussion here are the "True Amarr", I find the responses of other people confusing. Not to mention a little embarassing.

But frankly this side-topic is a distraction, so that's all I have to say of that.

**Vherokior **
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#13 - 2012-04-24 15:45:03 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
N'maro Makari wrote:
Subject matter aside, I dont believe this man qualifies for having his thread derailed to sate peoples more sadistic tendencies.


Considering he most likely wants to burn you or see you in chains, I find your support of him amusing.



Is there a particle of theology in Sabik heresy that requires you to speak on behalf of others you know not. Or is this merely a lack of manners and/or proper upbringing ms. Vitalia?
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#14 - 2012-04-24 16:23:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Morwen Lagann
I believe what Nakal may have been getting at was that the OP appeared to be essentially assigning some non-zero level of fault and/or blame to various failings of the Empire through the years to the Empire and its citizens themselves rather than outside parties entirely.

This, in itself, appears "un-Amarrian" in the sense that it seems a fairly rare sight in public; many Amarrians one meets are going to swear up and down that the Empire and its leaders over the years are faultless, can do no wrong, and never make poor decisions. Because of this, there's a bit of a perception that it seems "un-Amarrian" for an Amarrian to suggest in public that "yeah, we screwed up".

The key part being "in public," of course - I'm well aware that one's personal views in the Empire are generally saved for private venues as opposed to public ones, but then, that's what Nakal's point appears to be?

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2012-04-24 17:31:39 UTC
Rather than simply saying saying "we have failed" how about asking what you can do to prevent future failure?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-04-24 17:43:00 UTC
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:


Is there a particle of theology in Sabik heresy that requires you to speak on behalf of others you know not. Or is this merely a lack of manners and/or proper upbringing ms. Vitalia?


Perhaps, Brother, but there is a lovely particle that states I don't have to pretend anymore that your friend's religious ramblings are noteworthy.

And regarding manors, I'd show a bit more to the "Lord of Murder" if he didn't burst upon the stage acting like some common street-preacher muttering about this-or-that harbinger of doom.

You ever try having someone like that over for a social gathering? Offering a glass of wine turns into a ten-minute rant on how gloom and doom things are for the True Amarr. Manors indeed.

Dreadful.



Sabik now, Sabik forever
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#17 - 2012-04-24 18:06:54 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Rather than simply saying saying "we have failed" how about asking what you can do to prevent future failure?


If you feel you have an answer to that question, I will look forward to hearing it. 
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2012-04-24 18:13:30 UTC
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Rather than simply saying saying "we have failed" how about asking what you can do to prevent future failure?


If you feel you have an answer to that question, I will look forward to hearing it.


I think that my track record says that I've been among the more successful Amarriam loyalists over the last nine years. I will continue to lead PIE to the best of my abilities and seek to repeat past victories.

The question is: what will you do apart from carp from the sidelines about how everyone else is a bit rubbish?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#19 - 2012-04-24 18:47:46 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:


I think that my track record says that I've been among the more successful Amarriam loyalists over the last nine years. I will continue to lead PIE to the best of my abilities and seek to repeat past victories.

The question is: what will you do apart from carp from the sidelines about how everyone else is a bit rubbish?



The admiral has never been one for nuance or breaking paradigms, but he does have a point.

My own wistful daydream with regard to ameliorating our dreadful situation of course is to encourage the Brutor and Vherokior masses to jettison the Sebiestor... though I haven't quite put my little toe on precisely which tummy bump will accomplish that. It must involve a cult, selling Piotr to pay Paol, and Gallente hypocrisy, however.

So much has changed in all these years - and yet, not really. Bit of a downer, that. Gar-sewn! Another smoothie!
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#20 - 2012-04-24 19:12:04 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Rather than simply saying saying "we have failed" how about asking what you can do to prevent future failure?


If you feel you have an answer to that question, I will look forward to hearing it.


I think that my track record says that I've been among the more successful Amarriam loyalists over the last nine years. I will continue to lead PIE to the best of my abilities and seek to repeat past victories.

The question is: what will you do apart from carp from the sidelines about how everyone else is a bit rubbish?



I will note you did not have an answer. Perhaps you can tell me from where I and the C0URT are in sidelines from? Hopefully this will be more than mere recruitment effort into the 24th Crusade, as Amarrian part of the militias conflict is commonly known.

What we will not be doing is to discuss strategic goals publicly.

I am certain that person with your intrest in safeguarding the Empire will have noted our initiated efforts in securing freedom of some of our non-capsuleer brethren. Sadly a speedy and less forceful solution was declined in negotiations.

M.K.Crow.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
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