EVE General Discussion

Probably something like checking each bookmark to see if it is <=15km away from a stargate in the system. If yes, then kablam.

But people suggested just having a 15km warp bubble like effect, which is much better, as the above allows you to put 100km BM and warp to 100.

At last, we won't have to anchor bubbles on gates, we can have CCP do it for us.

It also got the axe because carebears cried so much. CCP set the precedent even in those days of caving to carebear peer pressure.

All they had to do was make bookmarks designed to circumvent the warp to 15 mechanic a bannable offense, but noooo....

Everything points in the opposite direction in fact. This is forum chatter, not much more. The new jump button doesn't work unless you get to under 2500 meters off a gate. Returning 15km warp points would pretty much make that button useless. Forward features don't suggest CCP is considering getting rid of WTZ.

So was the only reason warping to 15 on gates got the axe because of the BM problems?

i don't see the problem with adding it back in using the warp bubble code so even if people tried the BM thing it would stop it.



we all know it was a pain to get around back then no need to repeat it.

Personally, I wish we could autopilot and wtz an entire hi-sec travel route. Unless you are intentionally going through low or null sec space, the travel is not "playing" the game, it is just a time sink inbetween your "playing" the game.

Pointless thread is pointless.

Whether everyone will admit it or not, everyone wanted WTZ. The fact that so many BM's were created using game mechanics to establish WTZ indicated a feature which needed to be offered by CCP. CCP merely identified the need and implemented the feature. In fact, WTZ can be as much of a liability as a convenience, see drag bubbles. Nothing is requiring anyone to use the feature WTZ. You may still create, share, sell those BM's as they still have some uses, see bubbles.

Those of you still whining about WTZ in HS need to HTFU, you have your pound of flesh with autopiloting indies, freighters and shiny ships.

Thank you! Finally someone actually understands that this **** has broader implications than travel times. You get a gold star (and a like) for being one of the only people on the forum with an IQ above 70.

I agree on dividing all empire factions by low sec border zones of two to three systems deep. If there are enough access points to these zones and routes through them, piracy will make travel dangerous, but will not shut it down

And then balance the reduced traveltimes of Wt0 by cutting most warp-speeds. Yeah people will whine a lot, but most frigates don't reach their topspeed now anyway. Want to fight with bigger ships but not spend a lot of time flying?
Fight close to home!

Example: freighter 0.5AU (isk afk anyway), BS+Indy 1AU, BC 2AU, cruisers 3AU, destroyers 4 AU, frigates 5AU, interceptors 6AU.

As for the jumpbridges and JF, and cynos in generals the problem is now that people can simply use them to make easy money as individual players because they are so to cheap to use and maintain. They should only be used for strategic purposes that are worth more to an alliance then the large cost of jumping a fleet through, like protecting an outpost or Tech-moon, or circumventing a blockade with ice for a beleaguered POS on the frontline. A cost-benefit picture that is way out of the league for individual players. Same for cyno's don't use them to blab a frigate with a carrier when you're bored, but save the big toys for whenever there is a big fleet op because then the alliance will pay for the expensive fuel.

Maybe that will lead to capital ships becoming less of something every idividual player has, and more something that a large corporation has a stock of, for alliance operations. Corp-owned capitals... the ideal situation CCP never managed to get working.

Don't cater to the players that are fighting in the north of the map and wants to get back to farm some sanctums in the south a few hours later. Yes it's much less fun for your pilots, but that is the price for make all your neighbors blue and then having to go and fight on the other side of the map. It used to be the case that if an alliance was fighting a few regions over, because the current neighbors were annihilated, everyone went and it was a solid commitment for weeks at a time and it usually ended with just taking over the region instead of moving back. Followed by the good fun of greeting your new neighbors! Now it's barely more of an commitment then a frigate roam.

And the thing is, while mostly null-shenanigans, it does influence the rest of EVE. For example the dronepoo would never have become such a big part of empire supply, if the fuel of JF would have eaten away most of the profits of selling those minerals in empire in the first place. And it would be too expensive for individual pilots to go Titan-hotdrop on small gangs in low-sec. Not to mention they wouldn't because are more likely committed to fighting on their borders with their direct neighbours (instead of the friday-evening trips the other side of the map, hoping to find someone that isn't blue.

Meh, but null-pilots are usually too arrogant or sheep-brained to see that the mechanics they claim to need to keep enjoying the game, are at the same time the hurting the game in a way that its the exactly the cause of their boredom in the first place!

-"Why do you need jumpbridges?
-"So we don't have to waste a whole evening 60 jumps from home when there are no enemies"
-"Why are there no enemies?"
-"Because they just used their jumpbridges to go and farm sanctums safely 60 more jumps further"
-"Should CCP nerf jumpbridge?"
-''STFU, PUBBIE!!! CCP IS NERFING NULL ALL THE TIME!!!

Edit:

I do agree that structure basing on timers poses a few obstacles that do require at least some degree of fast travel in null, yet it's not an argument against increasing fuel-costs. Like I said: corp/alliance objective (pos-bashing), not a 'personal' one, so a good corp/alliance should cough up the cost of the fuel. And besides, the whole point of structure grinding needs to be looked at as well, but that is another matter.