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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2012-04-18 11:23:08 UTC
Tiger's Spirit wrote:

Really ? Try risk free docking up when station bubbled and enemy fleet are there and you are not in a cloaked ship and warp there.



If you were dumb enough to wait long enough for them to get set up like that, then yeah. If you're paying attention and just dock when they're two jumps out, then where's the risk?
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#22 - 2012-04-18 11:26:58 UTC
Well this post is popping up quite often so mayby something should be done about it.

If the mechanics would be perfect there would be no whiners now would there.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
Menog Fenduro
Eternally Corp
#23 - 2012-04-18 11:27:18 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Tiger's Spirit wrote:

Really ? Try risk free docking up when station bubbled and enemy fleet are there and you are not in a cloaked ship and warp there.



If you were dumb enough to wait long enough for them to get set up like that, then yeah. If you're paying attention and just dock when they're two jumps out, then where's the risk?


I heard that some people need to sleep, can't believe it, but read it somewhere in the inet... Shocked it's scarring me Shocked
Menog Fenduro
Eternally Corp
#24 - 2012-04-18 11:36:05 UTC
Azrael Dinn wrote:
Well this post is popping up quite often so mayby something should be done about it.

If the mechanics would be perfect there would be no whiners now would there.


right, i can't find so many topics about ganking or something like that... every tactic had a counter tactic, but afk-permacloaking-attack-a-ship-every-day-when-it-is-alone not...

and don't start again with stupid answers like "bubble all, have a fleet 24/7 online and protecting everyone, put 500 shuttles around the gates and wait there with cloakys 24/7 too, blabla we are the biggest all other are kidds blabla"
the most of u not even had the courage and post with there main character so how cares what you say or think ;)

*momy the forum is scarring my and i#m afraid that someone could know me, so i post with a alt all the time" ;) puppies ^^

but btt.
the part with the fuel is a nice idea and would make a new part in the market,
the fuel could be some PI product that is not used so much atm...
Tiger's Spirit
Templars of the Shadows
#25 - 2012-04-18 15:03:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiger's Spirit
Menog Fenduro wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Tiger's Spirit wrote:

Really ? Try risk free docking up when station bubbled and enemy fleet are there and you are not in a cloaked ship and warp there.



If you were dumb enough to wait long enough for them to get set up like that, then yeah. If you're paying attention and just dock when they're two jumps out, then where's the risk?


I heard that some people need to sleep, can't believe it, but read it somewhere in the inet... Shocked it's scarring me Shocked


If some people want to go sleep, go and sleep and do not use AFK cloaking.
AFK craps just eat server CPU times and wasting server resources for nothing. Wanna go sleep ? Just do it without eve.
Or you read it somewhere in the inet too... sleeping necessary for AFK cloaking ? You scarring me.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#26 - 2012-04-18 16:13:52 UTC
There is already a tool to use against afk cloakers.

Its called "A standing fleet".

I don't particularly like AFK cloakies, but neither do I dislike them. I have never thought they are a problem. Guess that just comes from being in decent corps and alliances.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#27 - 2012-04-18 23:41:12 UTC
Cloaking is working as intended. STFU and Biomass.

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Powers Sa
#28 - 2012-04-19 04:48:19 UTC
You can always do what I do and hunt them down with a fleet of 60 dudes and decloak them when they AFK and leave their stream up.

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#29 - 2012-04-19 15:35:44 UTC
no
one should sit whereever he wants... for how long he wants. Regardless. Cloaked.

There is not reason why this shouldnt be possible.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#30 - 2012-04-19 17:05:14 UTC
"I can't mine or rat in null because I see a stranger in local, so I want to make wormholes hugely more difficult to operate in."

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-04-22 11:33:46 UTC
Remove local. Problem solved.
Menog Fenduro
Eternally Corp
#32 - 2012-04-22 14:18:04 UTC
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
Remove local. Problem solved.


Remove cloaking. Problem solved.

same stupid answer ;)
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-04-22 17:23:12 UTC
Quote:
same stupid answer ;)

A stupid whine post deserves a similarly stupid answer.
Lord Dravius
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-04-23 01:47:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Dravius
Belshazzar Babylon wrote:
How does this come up so often? Cloaks are fine.

If cloaks were fine why would it come up so often? Every module needs a viable counter.

Azrael Dinn wrote:

If the mechanics would be perfect there would be no whiners now would there.

I see this is your first day on the internet. Let me explain it to you. There will always be whiners. CCP was obsessed with incarna and ignoring stuff that's been broken and/or imbalanced for ages. We finally got them to refocus on the part of the game that actually exists, but once in a while you still hear some idiot crying that they want more clothes to play dress-up with their space barbies sooner. People spent several years trying to get CCP to nerf gallente followed by several years of trying to get CCP to buff gallente. No matter when they do it's going to **** someone off. All you can really to is strategically choose who to **** off.
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-04-23 09:50:16 UTC
Tiger's Spirit wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Docking up is risk free....


Really ? Try risk free docking up when station bubbled and enemy fleet are there and you are not in a cloaked ship and warp there.



There are no bubbles in low sec, so low sec should be, more dangerous, than 0.0?

WH have no local.

Your problem is that you have to much information, because you're in souvrain space you know that when someone is not from you alliance it's an intruder. So because you know more you should be helped getting rid of it, intresting.
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#36 - 2012-04-23 13:29:14 UTC
Confirming that cloaked ships are supposed to be sneaking around in space they don't belong in.

What did you *think* cloaks were for? Being able to run L5 missions?

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Lord Dravius
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-04-23 14:21:38 UTC
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
Confirming that cloaked ships are supposed to be sneaking around in space they don't belong in.

What did you *think* cloaks were for? Being able to run L5 missions?

They're supposed to be an invisibility button, not an invincibility button. They need to have a counter like everything else.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-04-23 14:36:10 UTC
Lord Dravius wrote:
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
Confirming that cloaked ships are supposed to be sneaking around in space they don't belong in.

What did you *think* cloaks were for? Being able to run L5 missions?

They're supposed to be an invisibility button, not an invincibility button. They need to have a counter like everything else.



Cloaked ships are not invulnerable.

The fact you think they are is nothing short of your show of complete and utter ignorance of the facts.

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Menog Fenduro
Eternally Corp
#39 - 2012-04-23 15:30:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Menog Fenduro
Drake Draconis wrote:


Cloaked ships are not invulnerable.

The fact you think they are is nothing short of your show of complete and utter ignorance of the facts.


but they are near to.

a cloaky fly in your system, when nobody is online, maybe sites like evewho help him.
now he is there, makes a safespot somewhere in the space, not reachable for someone else.

now we have that corp/ally that life in the space, maybe lets take a normal corp, with around 100 or 150 players, all from the same timezone, some have to work, some have to sleep for a while.
player a,b,c-f are indu chars.. skilled to indu and pi...
the play in the morning where other are working or sleeping or the come from the work, play for a few hours and go offline.
now the can't do anything. what should the do against a 2 man tengu/loki cloaky gang, waiting for someone to dock off...
u can't do pi without a hugh fleet against the t3 ships with remote shieldsupport

later... the most part of the corporation is online, around 50 player, HAC pilots, T3 Pilots, ECM Boots and everything else, the bubble the gate stand around in ships... but the cloaky is sitting at his safespot, can check the online and offline times and the rest...
but why i'm explain that... u won't understand that because u don't want to understand.

it is a fact the cloaking is to strong, there IS NO counter tactic against them. the can still be there, invisible and near to invulnerable because u can't shoot what u can't lock.

remove the local... sry but that is some of the stupids ideas against cloaks i ever heard.
maybe u are a wh player, nice.. life there because u like it, but other don't . just the fact u know something is the problem ?
no.. the fact that there is no countertactic against that.. when u see a ship that jumps to a wh and is cloaking on the other site.. u know it too and u have no way to find him. same info, same problem.
u can put him in the watch list.. now u have the same like a local. u just have to check the wh 24/7...

so there have to work on that, just why some NPC corp characters are posting here it is fine (i think the are players we talking here and the are afraid that the would have no chancer after some counter tactics) it is not.

cloaking is nice to check the enemy, scan out the system, move without get aggresed, hide a part of the fleet and many more, but it is not for be a 24/7 treath for corps that havn't 10 players with counterships 24/7 around.

all the parts of cloaking are nice and the ideas here won't effect them. just stand or fly in the same 0.1 AU (example) for some time gives u the chance for a countertactic.
or when u have to use fuel.. u can do all u did before but not afk cloaking hours and hours in a system.. u have to fly out, get new fuel, that gives the systemholder a chance for a counterattack and u know when a cloaky is in the system, he will aggress u because he can't fly around for hours with his cloak...
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Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-04-23 15:50:45 UTC
[quote=Drake Draconis]player a,b,c-f are indu chars.. skilled to indu and pi... what should the do against a 2 man tengu/loki cloaky gang, waiting for someone to dock off.../quote]


So you have a situation where you have a 4 man crew against a 2 man crew and you can't figure out what you should do against them..Lemme help.

1. Spend a couple months or less and (heaven forbid) skill que up some combat skills.
2. Send out bait.
3. Kill two man fleet with 4 man fleet.
4. Profit.