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Why arent XL blasters terrible like the rest of them?
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Vito Antonio
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-04-22 07:19:19 UTC
So I was looking at extra large blasters and I realised that the trait that makes blasters stand out from the rest, short range, is missing from XL blasters! There is barely any difference between xl blasters and pulse lasers!

Is it because of insane titan cost that those pilots shouldn't be bothered by any drawbacks?
Lanasak
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-04-22 07:35:22 UTC
optimal goes up with turret size fyi
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-04-22 07:45:55 UTC
I'm assuming it's because of two factors. Primary being that they would be useless against POSs without such range, because of the shield radius of POSs. Secondarily because using them in fleets would be even more problematic without the added range. Even minor accidental bumping would push them outside their optimal and they wouldn't have good ways to correct the situation. Basicly the reality of the game would make "proper" X-large blasters largely useless.
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-04-22 08:30:01 UTC
Quite probably because blasters are no longer terrible.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#5 - 2012-04-22 12:01:11 UTC
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
Quite probably because blasters are no longer terrible.


This.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Wyte Ragnarok
#6 - 2012-04-22 16:15:17 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
Quite probably because blasters are no longer terrible.


This.


That.
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#7 - 2012-04-22 16:20:49 UTC
Its because of the lack of T2 ammo.

"Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise." 
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#8 - 2012-04-22 17:06:05 UTC
Wyte Ragnarok wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
Quite probably because blasters are no longer terrible.


This.


That.

The other.

But yeah, the whole POS shield radius thing, plus if they had conventional blaster range, they wouldn't be able to track well at optimal.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#9 - 2012-04-22 18:18:04 UTC
Wyte Ragnarok wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
Quite probably because blasters are no longer terrible.


This.


That.



Those.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-04-22 22:21:52 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Wyte Ragnarok wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
Quite probably because blasters are no longer terrible.


This.


That.



Those.


Them.

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-04-23 05:47:29 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Wyte Ragnarok wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
Quite probably because blasters are no longer terrible.


This.


That.



Those.


Them.


There.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-04-23 06:17:24 UTC
Wait - does this mean blasters are good now?

Lies.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Alara IonStorm
#13 - 2012-04-23 06:55:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
I think what the OP is saying is this.

T1 XL Guns /w Close Range Ammo.

XL Blasters 19 + 19
XL Pulse Laser 21 + 13
XL Auto Cannon 17 + 36

While Gun size follows a pretty consistent pattern of doubling.

T1 /w Close Range Ammo.

Medium Pulse Laser I - 3.1 + 2.5
Heavy Pulse Laser I - 6.3 + 5
Mega Pulse Laser I - 13 +10

Light Neutron Blaster I - 0.9 + 3.1
Limited Neutron Blaster I - 1.9 + 6.3
Neutron Blaster Cannon I - 3.8 + 13

They threw the Weapons Guidelines out of whack for Capitals otherwise Gallente and Minmater Short Range Weapons would suck compared to Amarr's Duel Giga Pulse I 21 +13 which is actually pretty close to the money on progression for the next rung down Duel Heavy Pulse I which is 11 + 7.5

They did it so they wouldn't suck in large fleet scenario's where caps are used like L Blasters and L Auto's.
Vito Antonio
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-04-23 10:26:16 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
I think what the OP is saying is this.

Yeah this is exactly my point.
I dont get why XL blasters do not have short range while still having more dps than lasers or projecticles.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#15 - 2012-04-23 12:26:01 UTC
They used to follow the normal progression but, at the time, Moroses tended to be rail fit because the 8 (IIRC) km optimal made them absolutely useless for the Dreads' intended role (as stated above, due to the radius of a POS Shield).

The Moros' drone bonus allowed some ships to be used in ship to ship PvP where the blasters had a real effect but in the first of the siege rebalancing passes the dreads were refocussed to structure shooting - in order to make that viable for the Moros (and to a lesser degree the Nag) the Optimal ranges of the Blasters and ACs were increased.