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Solo Stabber / Vagabond Tips + Build Advice
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Kate Diabolus
#1 - 2011-09-22 12:24:51 UTC
I am going to start with Stabbers before anyone mentions it but I'd still like to be prepared. I have HAC level 5 and I would like to use it.

I'm told that they are a hit and run ship with great ability to solo and evade. I'm looking for your favourite fits and playstyle with these ships. What are they able to take on? what are the limitations?

Thanks
Sven Hammerstorm
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-09-22 13:00:45 UTC
Rather than training in a stabber, fly a nano rupture. Does everything stabber does, but better. How to fly: dont get in scram range and die in a fire

[Rupture, nano]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

As for vaga fits;

[Vagabond, cloaky]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP M
Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

You dont need DC2, if you get caught you are dead anyway. Can substitute the cloak for a medium neut as well.
Mejai Master
Facial Enterprises
#3 - 2011-09-27 21:35:47 UTC
[Vagabond]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Warp Disruptor II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Medium 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#4 - 2011-09-28 05:36:49 UTC
General rule of thumb for vaga fits imo.

If its a heavy active pvp area with occasional small camps, fit a cloak. If its more of a roaming area/carebear a neut is better.

A vaga jumping into a ceptor with a rapier and any form of DPS is basically a free km.
Mara Abraham
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-09-28 16:45:02 UTC
Good day:

With HAC 5, use Barrage M as a default; have the other ammo faction types (generally one round is fine) in cargo along with RF Titanium Sabot M or RF Depleted Uranium M. Fit warrior II's though some fly with light ECM drones.

The medium neut is a must in my experience. http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10720730 -- Kaal Redrum, in his Rifter, could have solo'd that Vagabond (and would have if we all knew he didn't have a neut).

Thank you.

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Othran
Route One
#6 - 2011-09-28 16:59:38 UTC
Kate Diabolus wrote:
I am going to start with Stabbers before anyone mentions it but I'd still like to be prepared. I have HAC level 5 and I would like to use it.

I'm told that they are a hit and run ship with great ability to solo and evade. I'm looking for your favourite fits and playstyle with these ships. What are they able to take on? what are the limitations?

Thanks


Stabbers are nothing like Vagas I'm afraid - they aren't Vaga trainers in any way.

The cookie-cutter Vagabond fit is :

[Vagabond, 220s + neut Dominion]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I


Warrior II x5

That requires AWU5 or a powergrid implant. Taking the polys off is tempting but the Vaga is not as agile as you might think - it flies like a brick compared to Cynabal.

Stabber - I don't know what to suggest other than don't bother. Its sub-optimal in every respect and I can only assume it got hit VERY hard by the nerfbat of doom at the end of the nano-age. I guess you could get 3-4 Stabbers working OK as a small gang but solo? Only if you enjoy masochism Blink
Mara Abraham
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-09-28 18:11:23 UTC
Good day:

Rig to taste (or use no rigs at all to keep it a cheaper trainer), but the below can be used as a Vagabond in training wheels:

[Stabber, Kitting Stabber]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Small Energy Neutralizer I
Small Energy Neutralizer I



If you are tackled by a frigate, cycle small neuts while aligning to a distance celestial pulling range.

Thank you.

--- Mara Abraham

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Suliux
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-09-29 01:33:09 UTC
Don't let them talk you out of this, the stabber is a fun ship to fly. The fit below is what I use as my Vaga training wheels and it has done fantastic for me in RvB w/ a record somewhere around (guessing, new kb makes this hard) 75 and 3 or 4.

The above fit is nice, but I like the extra range w/ the TE's and 425's. If you closer than 10km, you're doing it wrong anyways. Set orbit at 15km and pulse MWD as necessary.

Best of all, you shouldn't be afraid to engage anything BC and below. If you can't hack it, just GTFO. The ruppie can't avoid bad situations as well as a stabber ... no T1 cruiser can.


[Stabber, Sting]

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Warp Disruptor II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II

Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x1
Othran
Route One
#9 - 2011-09-29 12:00:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
Mara Abraham wrote:
Good day:

Rig to taste (or use no rigs at all to keep it a cheaper trainer), but the below can be used as a Vagabond in training wheels:

[Stabber, Kitting Stabber]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Small Energy Neutralizer I
Small Energy Neutralizer I



If you are tackled by a frigate, cycle small neuts while aligning to a distance celestial pulling range.

Thank you.


See this exact fit is a classic example of how the Stabber is NOT a Vaga trainer.

Your range on the guns with RF ammo brings you in scram range. You're dead because the Stabber has no tank.

Even with barrage you're going to be in medium neut range and probably overheated scram range because you do no DPS at all - 216 max so "kiting" will mean about 100dps.

You have no drones to speak of and the 220s aren't going to hit a small frigate once he's in close.

Its an accident waiting to happen. At the very least a medium + small neut would be more reliable to cap out a nos'ing frigate.

The main problem is simply that you do not have the falloff bonus and its short on one slot/turret on all the racks. Oh and drones of course.

Flying a Stabber will teach you precisely ZERO about flying a Vagabond.
Othran
Route One
#10 - 2011-09-29 12:10:23 UTC
Suliux wrote:

[Stabber, Sting]

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Warp Disruptor II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II

Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x1


That's about the nearest to being a Vaga you'll get with the Stabber, still horribly fragile and dreadful DPS though.

Its a nice fit - I almost like it and I hate Stabbers Smile
Mara Abraham
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-09-29 13:46:30 UTC
Good day, Othran:

I'm not sure how to state this, but you need experience in something before you knock it.

Don't let your hate of Stabbers prevent you from getting experience in it so your words have greater meaning.

Thank you.

--- Mara Abraham

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Lugalzagezi666
#12 - 2011-09-29 14:05:25 UTC
Forget stabber, fit shield ruppie.
Its slower than stabber, but its still faster than most of your targets, it has more ehp, better frig defence and MUCH better dps.
Btw fleet stabber is decent ship for "kiting" training if you have little bit more isk to spend.
Othran
Route One
#13 - 2011-09-29 14:33:04 UTC
Mara Abraham wrote:
Good day, Othran:

I'm not sure how to state this, but you need experience in something before you knock it.

Don't let your hate of Stabbers prevent you from getting experience in it so your words have greater meaning.

Thank you.


Good advice - trying taking it yourself. I see one Stabber loss and a shedload of SFI losses for you. Last Stabber loss had SALVAGERS on it Roll

Of course we all only fly one character amirite?
Suliux
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-09-29 14:36:19 UTC
Othran wrote:


That's about the nearest to being a Vaga you'll get with the Stabber, still horribly fragile and dreadful DPS though.

Its a nice fit - I almost like it and I hate Stabbers Smile


Thanks, I almost appreciate that :P

Concerning the fragility and DPS, on paper (or EFT if you prefer), you would be correct. But experience has shown me that there are various piloting aspects that cannot be accounted for with anything other than experience. More so than any other race, the speed of Minmataur ships forces the pilot to actually fly their ship, not click orbit and pray.

Concerning fragility, the shields are a buffer against alphas and small drones, nothing more. Speed is the true tank so stay the flip out of nuet, web, and scram range and you'll be fine. (no flames, I understand the concept that speed is not tank, we all understand what is meant here).

Yes, DPS appears dreadful, but with ability to control the engagement means that you can hang around picking at the target for as long as you're safe and have cap. How long is an exercise for the OP, ya gotta know your ship :)

I have many kills with this setup and much to even my surprise, a lot of them have me, in a stabber, as top damage dealer. Even in fleets with ships like vexors, thoraxes, BCs, and the like it can shine in certain situations. With a stabber you can get optimal on target faster and apply dps for longer than most, if not all in the gang.
Mara Abraham
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-09-29 15:23:09 UTC
Good day, Suliux:

Good points in all.

Thank you.

--- Mara Abraham

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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#16 - 2011-09-29 18:45:02 UTC
To anyone suggesting to fly a shield Rupture, please reread the OP's post.
She can fly a Vagabond, but wants to use a Stabber as a training vessel. Since a shield rupture is a brick compared to the stabber which is agility and speedwise almost identical to the Stabber, any learning experience she gets on the shield rupture is not worth much. So, proof read before commenting.

Also, an important question to the OP while we're at it. Is this Vaga fit supposed to be flown in lowsec or nullsec?
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Sassaniak
Deadspace Zombie Factory
#17 - 2011-09-30 02:25:14 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
To anyone suggesting to fly a shield Rupture, please reread the OP's post.
She can fly a Vagabond, but wants to use a Stabber as a training vessel. Since a shield rupture is a brick compared to the stabber which is agility and speedwise almost identical to the Stabber, any learning experience she gets on the shield rupture is not worth much. So, proof read before commenting.

Also, an important question to the OP while we're at it. Is this Vaga fit supposed to be flown in lowsec or nullsec?



hehe. just wanted to point that out

fly a stabber like you would fly a vaga, not the other way around. stabbers a great training ship for anything that speed tanks. sure you wont get as many kills in a stabber as you would in a vaga but thats because you get something like 1/2 the dps out of it. however the enemies response times (backup arriving) will be approx the same so you can learn when to cut and run, or what to look for in vaga traps. stabbers cost like what 5 mil kitted? 8? go have fun with your cheap ship. then get your vaga and be serious.

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Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#18 - 2011-09-30 06:14:35 UTC
Sassaniak wrote:
Leopold Caine wrote:
To anyone suggesting to fly a shield Rupture, please reread the OP's post.
She can fly a Vagabond, but wants to use a Stabber as a training vessel. Since a shield rupture is a brick compared to the stabber which is agility and speedwise almost identical to the Stabber, any learning experience she gets on the shield rupture is not worth much. So, proof read before commenting.

Also, an important question to the OP while we're at it. Is this Vaga fit supposed to be flown in lowsec or nullsec?



hehe. just wanted to point that out

fly a stabber like you would fly a vaga, not the other way around. stabbers a great training ship for anything that speed tanks. sure you wont get as many kills in a stabber as you would in a vaga but thats because you get something like 1/2 the dps out of it. however the enemies response times (backup arriving) will be approx the same so you can learn when to cut and run, or what to look for in vaga traps. stabbers cost like what 5 mil kitted? 8? go have fun with your cheap ship. then get your vaga and be serious.


This. Look up the Stabbabond fit on Battleclinic as well.

You also want to fly the stabber as opposed to the Ruppie because most people underestimate the Stabber in a fight. They are more inclined to fight you . However, if they see a Rupture, they are inclined to run off.

You can also take on 2 possibly 3 frigates while you solo in your Stabber. Just fit it as an anti-frig stabber.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#19 - 2011-09-30 07:15:07 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
Just fit it as an anti-frig stabber.


I dunno, I consider fitting two AMLs on a training stabber cheating. Big smile

Also, I like 'Stabbabond', even though we tend to call them VagaLite™ Big smile
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Lugalzagezi666
#20 - 2011-09-30 08:53:53 UTC
I made a post to point out, why would i be rather sitting in shield ruppie for kiting training, but forum just ate it when i hit preview. I guess we should get used to ctrl+a and ctrl+c with new forums. X

Cba to rewrite it atm.
Btw fitting launchers instead of neuts its good way to get yourself killed by first dualprop frig you will meet.
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