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Sub forum exclusively for paying customers

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Whitehound
#1 - 2012-04-22 22:38:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
I am going to put this idea out, knowing quite well how some will hate it, but it is something I want CCP to consider.

Create a sub forum, which is only accessible to players who are paying for their game with a subscription or by buying GTCs. More precisely, make the sub forum inaccessible to players who only play EVE with PLEX.

What is the point? Only players who pay for their game with money also show an actual and believable interest in the company's financial success and only such players shall be heard on this sub forum.

I know it is a harsh idea, but seeing how some players do absolutely everything only to play for free (including botting) and yet voice their ideas and opinions everywhere might it be a good idea when there is a sub section on the forum where CCP can get at least the guarantee that everything said comes from players who have paid them money. It might give CCP a better picture of what players want and what they are willing to pay for.

CCP might want to look at how the communication between us and them was before and after the introduction of PLEX/free-to-play. Could it be the reason, or one of the reasons, for the miscommunication?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Ai Shun
#2 - 2012-04-22 22:41:25 UTC
Getting their feedback is still useful. CCP will be able to tell how a player is subscribed. Whether they check this or if it is even relevant to them is another matter P
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#3 - 2012-04-22 22:48:10 UTC
Eve already has paying-customer-only forums. They're every forum other than the Trial Accounts forum. CCP actually gets a tiny bit more from PLEXed accounts rather than credit card accounts due to the fact that PLEX cost more than $15. Trying to break people up into a caste system is just stupid.
Whitehound
#4 - 2012-04-22 23:15:50 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Eve already has paying-customer-only forums. They're every forum other than the Trial Accounts forum. CCP actually gets a tiny bit more from PLEXed accounts rather than credit card accounts due to the fact that PLEX cost more than $15. Trying to break people up into a caste system is just stupid.

It is not a caste system. You simply have to pay for getting access to it. Such a sub forum might even have its own atmosphere different from the rest of the forum. It is at least worth a try and should not fall victim to total liberalism. We have not been heard enough by CCP in the past and it seems only fair and logical to have a sub forum without people who do not pay.

I would then not hesitate to place the entire CSM related part into it to give further meaning to the CSM. People have been complaining about Goonswarm making it to CSM or that the CSM would only represent minorities, because they think it makes the CSM a joke. Whatever the reasoning behind these complaints are do I find a CSM elected only by paying customers much more attractive than anything else.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
#5 - 2012-04-22 23:52:09 UTC
umm, you do know scammers plex accounts quite easily, right? the dark side of eve of eve has little to no issue running the main and the forum alts full plex.

Since you say goons...here's how mittens got votes 3-4 at a time. Cap main, 2-3 cyno alts with the "jita" alt for scams/trading on it.. Cap mian spams havens, "jita" alts does the gimme 1 bil and I'll get you in goons, and spams 0.0 incurisions and finds the occassional ratter with shinies. All the isk needed to plex several accoutns right there. Or runs 0.0 PI if not enough.

If you want true paid only access....can't be plex. has to be 100% cc hit the account management screen per month. Plex....you have no quality control of member ship in the exclusive forum. All the mittens, snotshots, even derek chu's of eve....generally have no issues plexing and would be in the club as it were.

If you want quality control gonna have to leave these boards. Go to places like failheap. If you can deal with the ban 11's, the minimal post count before you even get to post in some forums....gratz you found your exclusive forum home. You get some good posts from people who don't even play the game since oddly enough...the more eve changes the more it stays the same in some regards.
Whitehound
#6 - 2012-04-23 00:14:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Misanthra wrote:
umm, you do know scammers plex accounts quite easily, right? the dark side of eve of eve has little to no issue running the main and the forum alts full plex.

Since you say goons...here's how mittens got votes 3-4 at a time. Cap main, 2-3 cyno alts with the "jita" alt for scams/trading on it.. Cap mian spams havens, "jita" alts does the gimme 1 bil and I'll get you in goons, and spams 0.0 incurisions and finds the occassional ratter with shinies. All the isk needed to plex several accoutns right there. Or runs 0.0 PI if not enough.

If you want true paid only access....can't be plex. has to be 100% cc hit the account management screen per month. Plex....you have no quality control of member ship in the exclusive forum. All the mittens, snotshots, even derek chu's of eve....generally have no issues plexing and would be in the club as it were.

If you want quality control gonna have to leave these boards. Go to places like failheap. If you can deal with the ban 11's, the minimal post count before you even get to post in some forums....gratz you found your exclusive forum home. You get some good posts from people who don't even play the game since oddly enough...the more eve changes the more it stays the same in some regards.

Maybe I was not clear enough. Only accounts that are being paid with subscriptions or GTCs will have access to the sub forum. Accounts that are being run with PLEX bought through ISKs will have no access. If you pay with a subscription, but use a PLEX to avoid the cost for a month will you also lose access to the sub forum for the same duration.

What people then say on this sub forum may or may not be be different from the rest of the forum, but it will come from players who are paying for the game and are getting recognized as such by CCP, which will likely lead to a better relationship between us and CCP.

People have used their subscription to voice their opinion in the past, including me. This should stay a single incident and not become the normality and such a sub forum could be of help here to identify problems sooner.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#7 - 2012-04-23 00:27:03 UTC
I hate to ruin a good idea, but I would begin paying for this account with IRL money should this go through. Just so I can make sure you don't make more stupid threads like it in the exclusive subforum.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Whitehound
#8 - 2012-04-23 00:31:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Simi Kusoni wrote:
I hate to ruin a good idea, but I would begin paying for this account with IRL money should this go through. Just so I can make sure you don't make more stupid threads like it in the exclusive subforum.

No. You just hate it, but you are not ruining anything. You make my point even when you do not want to. Or what is the point of paying with money when you would not want to do this for CCP, but just to stop others from posting? It is this kind of logic that I would like to see being shut out.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#9 - 2012-04-23 00:36:57 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
I hate to ruin a good idea, but I would begin paying for this account with IRL money should this go through. Just so I can make sure you don't make more stupid threads like it in the exclusive subforum.

No. You just hate it, but you are not ruining anything. You make my point even when you do not want to. Or what is the point of paying with money when you would not want to do this for CCP, but just to stop others from posting? It is this kind of logic that I would like to see being shut out.

Because:

A) I was partly joking, I already pay for one account by direct debit.

B) Terrible ideas like this spam the forums, ruin discussion for everyone, and bury the few decent threads that crop up.

C) Stupid people don't deserve to be sheltered from the opinions of smarter people.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Stigman Zuwadza
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-04-23 01:01:04 UTC
I'm inclined to agree...with myself.

You'd probably find you'd be double posting if there was a private / public setup of forums, you'd only miss out on all the good posts, ideas and discussion being had on the public front.

CCP could by all means create a private forum but it would only be to humor such paying customers as you. CCP would not want the public voice quelled, quashed or diminished in any way, shape or form.

Its also a little foolhardy to think that those paying with PLEX are not as committed to Eve as you, I think every Eve player that makes it past the trial is hooked ...well maybe a little longer. Big smile

Have a good one. o7



It's broken and it's been broken for a long time and it'll be broken for some time to come.

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#11 - 2012-04-23 01:23:09 UTC
Yes, that's what this forum needs: divisive elitism. "Hurr durr we deserve special treatment because we don't plex."

Why do you want to punish me for 1) being good enough at eve that I can afford PLEX, and 2) being frugal enough to save my hard-earned money?

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#12 - 2012-04-23 01:23:28 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
I am going to put this idea out, knowing quite well how some will hate it, but it is something I want CCP to consider.

Create a sub forum, which is only accessible to players who are paying for their game with a subscription or by buying GTCs. More precisely, make the sub forum inaccessible to players who only play EVE with PLEX.

What is the point? Only players who pay for their game with money also show an actual and believable interest in the company's financial success and only such players shall be heard on this sub forum.

So, you clearly don't have any plan how the PLEX system works. Do you?

"Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise." 

Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-04-23 02:18:38 UTC
CCP should make a subforum where only OPs who use bold text are allowed. The entrance fee should be one million US dollars, to be delivered in un-marked, out-of-sequence, one-dollar bills. Or gold bullion. Only people who have their own superyacht should be able to post, the others should be read-only. For reference, if it isn't big enough to have its own helipad, it's not a superyacht.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#14 - 2012-04-23 02:48:54 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Create a sub forum, which is only accessible to players who are paying for their game with a subscription or by buying GTCs. More precisely, make the sub forum inaccessible to players who only play EVE with PLEX.

What is the point? Only players who pay for their game with money also show an actual and believable interest in the company's financial success and only such players shall be heard on this sub forum.


I would support this idea if it meant us freetards were able to build block lists of all the entitled elitists who post in those exclusive forums only accessible to players who are not smart enough to pay for their game time in PLEX.

The first rule of investment applies here too: only ever spend other people's money.
Katerwaul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-04-23 03:02:07 UTC
People who play the game enough to earn a plex for their character have no idea what constitutes fair/fun/creative gameplay?

Those same people don't invite friends & enrich the game for others and as such can have no game enriching ideas?

You feel entitled to have your own soap box to stand on while threatening not to pay any more money if you don't get your way in front of everyone else who pays money?

It might be number 3.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#16 - 2012-04-23 03:09:18 UTC
Toasting in horrible elitist idea thread.

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Alain Kinsella
#17 - 2012-04-23 08:46:22 UTC
Not going to work. In fact its likely to encourage *more* grief, since you've now created a forum that is not searchable by Google et al (therefore immune to most corporate and other background searches).

The original Second Life forum (circa 2004-2007) was setup this way, that only residents who had payment data on-file could access it. Nothing I've seen here even comes close to what I've seen over there (in particular their GD - which was eventually scrapped, after two attempts to revive it).

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Whitehound
#18 - 2012-04-23 08:47:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Katerwaul wrote:
People who play the game enough to earn a plex for their character have no idea what constitutes fair/fun/creative gameplay?

You would still be able to post into the regular forums. Only what people have to say who pay for their game with money and who enabled you to play for free would not be visible to you when they post in this sub forum. They can also choose to post into the regular threads. And if the fun of EVE is important to you, then why not pay for the game?

Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Toasting in horrible elitist idea thread.

Paying with money for a game you like is now elitist?

Seeing the other "arguments" against the idea gives a small picture of what we might get rid off when we would have such a sub forum.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#19 - 2012-04-23 08:54:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
Your idea is dumb and based on "omg, all plex users are botters!!!!!". Some of us actually simply know the game very well to make isk the easy way, so they should probably listen to us more than mere subscribers. Also, you do realise that people who use plex actually net CCP more income? I propose that people who use subs are only allowed to post in a specific S(cr)ub forum.
Whitehound
#20 - 2012-04-23 09:18:17 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Also, you do realise that people who use plex actually net CCP more income?

No, they do not. The people who buy GTCs and who sell them in game as PLEX do. It is these players who shall be heard, and without the voices of those who cannot afford to pay for the game. CCP is a company and as such needs to make money and have a growth. While giving everyone a voice here on the forum, which you will continue to have, should one also respect the interests of CCP as a company. I, as a paying costumer then do not wish to be treated like a "cashcow" or a "freeloader" by CCP only to be forced to voice my opinion with my wallet in the end.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

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