EVE New Citizens Q&A

So, I acquired the Noctis, and I became somewhat surprised to see that I couldn't mount my weapons on it. I asked in the rookie chat and I was told that it wasn't possible. 8 high slots and no weapons? I don't mean to build a battleship but I would like some way of defending myself.

The only thing I can do if attacked by any sort of enemy is to run away?

Yes. It's not a combat vessel, it's a highly specialized salvaging/looting vessel. It's meant to do this one thing and one thing only and it does it much better than any other ship in the game. If you get in to a fight with it, you did something wrong.

Well, certainly I knew it was a salvage ship, as mentioned in the "show info", what it did not say, however, was "This ship cannot equip weapons".

So far I have been cruising asteroid belts killing and salvaging low rats with my thrasher, and that has been the only salvaging experience for me. Then I bought the noctis(a great salvaging ship) and it turns out it can't do what the thrasher can do, salvage-wise. They should change the description to "The Noctis; extremely good at salvaging, sacrificing all weapons for improved salvaging."

I will adapt of course, I was merely surprised that I can't even throw rocks at non friendlies.

In "show info" the lack of turret or launcher hardpoints kind of says "This ship cannot equip weapons."

Next you'll be complaining that the Mining Barges and Freighters cannot fit guns or missiles.
The Noctis is designed for one thing.
Salvaging level 4 missions, dozens of wrecks spread out over a 50km+ radius.

Also


Point to me exactly where that implies it has any combat ability.
For that argument, you could say,
"How was I supposed to know this thing wasn't a mining vessel"
"I thought this thing could travel to Jove space"
"This can't tank CONCORD?"

The Noctis is not intended for use in an active combat environment. When you are looking at a ship that you have never used before, the first thing to look at is the bonuses on the "Descripiton" tab, the second thing is the "Attributes" tab (how much capacitor? how much tank?) the third thing is the "Fitting" tab. The "Fitting" tab will tell you how much CPU and PG the ship has, how many high/med/low slots it has, how many hard points it has for missile and turret weapons, how many rig slots it has, and how many calibration points you have to spend on rigs.

These factors are all important when interpreting the "role" of a given ship. It is too late to find this stuff out after you have purchased it.

Tools such as EVE Fitting Tool (aka EFT) will help you find ways to fit a ship before you have one in your hangar, so you can be aware of limitations such as not being able to fit T2 strip miners and a 30k EHP tank to a Hulk, for example :)

***Alarm goes off*** Troll alert, I repeat, Troll alert.

Damn, though I like EVE and I like to help new players. You are not classed as a newb, but a noob.

Buying ships with not looking at the show info pages, yes PLURAL, you do know there is more then just the description.

Then finding out YOU made a mistake, come to the forums and whine.

Third, stating something utterly stupid about that the noctis isn't as good as your salvage thrasher, never saw a trasher with 4 tractors / 4 salvagers and also receive bonus to salvaging.

Tip of the day: unsub, makes our life easier and makes up time to help genuine new player questions.

It does indeed say, via inference of the lack of launcher or turret hitpoints.

You can, however, in fact fit smartbombs to it.

ipad post fail

Well ...

Just to make a point most of the responders have missed ...

If you are salvaging a mission in .8 and below space - what i would term "belt rats" can come along to visit you. These are the same rats you would see in the belts ... they're just coming by to visit you in what had been your mission space.

I am a little vague on one point however.

I've done a lot of salvaging where the mission space had gone away because I intentionally had no one in it to keep it open and turned the mission in. I routinely do multiple missions - turning in each as I go - then come back later with my people and places sorted by date - and go around and salvage them all.

BUT

I've also done a lot of mining in mission spaces that still existed, whether I'd turned the mission in while someone remained in the mission space to keep it open - or without turning the mission in. Mostly I've done this to mine the mission space but if I left it open and was salvaging the wrecks - then it was still open for the salvaging part too. I've spent hours mining mission space I've turned in the mission for - but those wrecks only last two hours so I clean those up first. And yes - my salvaging destroyers have been attacked while doing this.


Now - I'm certain that if the mission space is still there - the rats will drop by sooner or later. Being in that mission space for extended periods of time because I was mining the rocks - enough time elapsed for the rats to show up.


So ... while I know they show up if I keep the mission space open ... I don't know if they'll just show up in a wreck field where the mission space it was part of has gone away. I do believe they will - but I'm not certain of that. I just don't remember. Sorry. *shrug*


It is for this reason however - that I have stated in the past - that the Catalyst was the best salvaging destroyer - since it has a drone. On more than one occasion - I have used that drone to add to the salvaging destroyers take of wrecks ...



Because I'm not the only one who's thought of this - the issue has been raised in the past with CCP of letting the Noctis have some drones. They didn't seem inclined to do that though. But - this is NOT the first time the total lack of self defense on the part of the Noctis has been complained about.


I almost lost a Covetor once to some of these rats ... in my case because I was trying to alt tab around to find out which ship was under attack of those in my little mining op - and it got all shot up before I could by these visiting "belt rats". I'd been popping these guys all evening - but this one time ... they got in and did some damage before I could sick the ships drones on them. If I'd just left the drones out I'd have been fine ... but there's reasons for not doing that ...


So - the point of all that is - that there can be reason for wanting a weapon of some type on a ship that is going to be visited by random belt rats. We just aren't going to get it on the Noctis because CCP said no.


*shrug*

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