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That was a specific design choice by the devs so that they wouldn't be treated as loot pinatas (to be blown up for the contents). Instead, now they'll only be blown up for business reasons (to put up your own POCO) or for PvP purposes (burning of the fields).

Way I see it, this is CCP's way of trying to push us into Low sec to appease the appetite of the PVP'rs. No thanks. I aint gonna bother. Most of my BPO's that I use all the time are now fully researched and I don't have to play the waiting game in the NPC stations anymore. Besides most invention slots are open and I can handle that. I don't need the aggrevation of pvp. I've got a bad right arm anyway and doing PVP only aggrevates that.

I actually like just mining. Would be nice however if CCP would fix the window's problems, My windows keep jumping around in on the screen, forget petitioning it, I have two in now to report new glitches, and I figure it might be a year or more before you fix what you broke.

Last but not least, a wise old man once told me. Learn the KISS principle. It means Keep it simple Stupid. Maybe CCP would benefit from that. then again I seriously doubt it.

Realised today that it is incredibly difficult to tell how many colonies are on a planet, and therefore how lucrative the tax revenues from having a POCO up around it would be.

I've written a full post about this, and solutions, here

In short, the way we can search for other players' colonies at present is terrible. Put more information more readily at the disposal of players, and it will make POCO gameplay far more dynamic, driving both investment and conflict.

All very interesting stuff this thread, lot of useful insight into the twisted thinking of CCP regarding EVE and the tenuous link between that and the Console game DUST, seems the recent changes to PI are in the opinion of many almost totally geared towards that end, if so let us hope that CCP continue in this vein as quickly as they can, that way we as players of EVE can isolate and kill off any such ideas by the simple expedient of not engaging in PI at all, No link No DUST, they have my vote on this change.

On a lighter note, This DEV suggests that players engaged in PI should concentrate anything above P1 ops on planets with customs offices run by 'Interbus', interesting idea, but I wonder if this DEV is actually watching what is currently going on in 0.0, Alliances are ridding themselves of 'Interbus' facilities as quickly as resources allow in the hope of making a fast ISK killing from taxes, the sudden drop off in logistic transport orders for the movement of PI goods to Empire indicates that this is not going to be the case at all, the owners of the POCO will of course continue to operate if only to recoup there investment but most seem to have already pulled out of the PI game, so that idea was a bust from the start.

Did a quick sweep of surrounding systems two days back in Losec, few remaining original facilities but these had not been replaced with POCO's in the main suggesting the originals had been knocked probably just because they could, and the few that were installed were on of course Plasma planets and surprise surprise, all were damaged to some level and would either remain in that state due to lack of equipment to repair them or will shortly be destroyed, so that idea is another bust.

My original comment that this was and remains a very bad idea still stands, taking an axe to micro manage an economy has in the past never worked and the ramifications of this change are yet to be fully revealed but discussions around the Alliance indicate that they are gearing up for major cost increases in every commodity as they predict that PI will die out in 0.0/Losec with there members already moving alts into Empire to secure lines of supply.

In conclusion this ham fisted attempt to leverage console gamers into EVE via the back door is so transparent I cannot understand why others have not picked up on it yet and rather than gripe on about increased taxes and product costs fully grasp the negative effect this change is really going to have on the game.

Please stop calling this a "TAX"...

If this was a tax it would be based on the current selling price and not some arbitrary value assigned (dart board?) by CCP.

Yes, I'm a hi-sec PI developer, but case in point (been playing Skyrim so only now noticed how badly this was implimented, my opinion)...

Being a single-resource manufacturere, I concentrated on reactive metals...volatile pricing but always in demand and relatively easy to find the Base Metals for mining. Before Cruicble, prices were 350-420 per unit (Reactive Metals) and export fees were about 5,000 a day/planet (didn't keep track so this last number is an estimate).

Now I see Reactive Metals have dropped to the sub-300 price and now that same export charge is about 478,000 (average, as planets have been idle and fees ranged from 306,000* - 574,000*).

I recall them (CCP) referring to this as a TAX based on what appears to be an arbitrary value of the item being exported (or imported). WOW...I would love to see Reactive Metals selling for 500/unit...a price I don't recall seeing since maybe when PI first started. Realistically this percentage should vary from planet to planet (hi-sec space here), system to system depending on availability on a planet, security level and maybe even current engagements going on in the area.

This is not a TAX but a flat rate charge per unit. A tax would vary based on the current market prices where currently the above export fees would have ranged from 142,000* to 321,000*

So CCP wants to fiddle with numbers and put the player base in an uproar...fine, that's their right and choice, but call things by the right terms. This is simple an export/import charge per unit...not a tax...unless they plan on changing this in the furture (something I highly doubt will happen considering the number of client 'updates' right after a patch...very tiring)




*Exact Numbers culled from Wallet and calculator

We are a small corp and have so far put up 8 POCO's in 0.4 systems the oldest being around 4 weeks old, the newest 2 weeks.

The TOTAL income from all POCO's over that period of time has been 75m isk for an investment of close to 1 billion isk taking into account the time to take down the Interbus co's, ammo, replacing 2 destroyed co's and getting ganked while killing the Interbus co's.

All in all, its a pretty terrible return on investment.

Two suggestions :

- Some method of judging your income before you take down a CO.
- Some method of attracting players to your planet.

I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. Since all of these suggestions are completely absurd, that makes them approximately equal. I will now make my own profiling of EVE activities:

To suggest that making players work for their lovelies is good for the economy is like suggesting that you'd want to fly something small and fast to get through dangerous lowsec safely (like a rookie ship), or that CCP was right again as always.

Thread necro time.

As we continue to see PI item pricing decline these past several months, the CCP-fixed import and export tax values introduced late last year become more and more burdensome. Even with minimal-rate corp or alliance owned POCOs, this is still a fact.

What is CCP's take on this situation?

I'm sorry, but what exactly does all this have to do with console gamers?

Aside from that, nice post. I was wondering about the situation myself.

It appears what you are saying, (at least with respect to lowsec you visited), is that all the POCOs and COs have been vadalized or just outright destroyed for the sake of it rather than for any practical reason by people who could care less about that sort of thing?

That actually fits nicely with my assessment of a lot of Lowsec gankers, but I still hesitate to believe that it is true in all cases. There is likely Lowsec that isn't plagued by this problem. Perhaps even a lot of it.

It is also entirely possible that they are just fighting over control of what may be a potentially lucrative investment. Of course, with all that fighting it's not going to be lucrative at all, but they either have or will figure that out eventually.

This thread is still relevant as CCP, afaik, has not changed any of the values upon which Planetary Interaction taxation is based. Nor has CCP changed any of the mechanics associated with the POCOs...

TBD on what CCP's crack team of game designers plan on doing regarding POCOs, the PS3 console kiddies and the means by which EVE pod pilots interact with planetary stuff.