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Why isn't Eve more successful?
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Veronica Kerrigan
Surgically Constructed L Feminist
#401 - 2012-04-22 00:01:38 UTC
I have to say, I've never understood why people say that you have to buy PLEX in order to PvP. last time I did any serious PvE was some incursion in November or October. I got myself up to about 1.3 billion ISK, and haven't run out yet, and I basically log on for fleet ops, then log back off. Took me one weekend, for almost 6 months of pvp and losing stuff. Just try not to lose a whole lot of ships, fight where you have the advantage, etc. and pvp does not become costly.
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#402 - 2012-04-22 19:45:09 UTC
Roime wrote:
Nephilius wrote:
St Mio wrote:
Because the masses a) want instant gratification and b) are creatively inept and incapable of building sandcastles.


OMG, I laughed so hard when I saw this. Try again, as I've said before, the sand in Eve is more like kitty litter.

I think the biggest reason that Eve does not have the numbers that WoW and other games of that caliber have is because there is no point to Eve. There is no established endgame (ships are not endgame). All humans work off of a reward system. If there are no real rewards to be had, except for self-set goals, then there is no reason to become invested in it.

Ultimately though, those who love Eve will love it, those who don't will not.


All humans do work off of a reward system, I'm just **** all interested in any other goals than those set by myself.

We are not lemmings, you know.

Ok that doesn't sound quite right, but anyway : D


I think some have me wrong here...self-goals is the main attractions which sets Eve apart from the rest. When I play, I live a week or two at a time, sometimes three weeks. And that's cool about it. The pace is set, and can't really be changed. But then again, it can work against it as well, especially if someone sets their goals to be fulfilled at a frenetic pace. To each his onw though, you know?

One more thing...

Quote:
Go back to WoW
"If."
Dbars Grinding
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#403 - 2012-04-22 20:45:47 UTC
because it is bad

I have more space likes than you. 
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#404 - 2012-04-22 21:02:50 UTC
Dbars Grinding wrote:
because it is bad


scary when noone is denying this O.o

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#405 - 2012-04-22 21:05:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Well, the Null Alliances and Devs have me right where they want me, whatever shall I do? They can do whatever ******** thing they want and I can't stop them.

I'm canceling all subscriptions one week into the removal of content that is the Drone Mineral Nerf.

You see, I don't have to "Shut up and Mine" if I don't want to.

The Devs having the attitude of Corporate Overlords without the gun to back it up is one of Eves biggest problems.


You shall be replaced by countless miners. Your loss is not going to keep us awake at night.


That attitude exactly. That is what I mean.

Oh sure, claiming "People are going to come to Eve to MINE!" is not even insane. Cause no way do you believe that. No way even drooling insane madmen believe that.

You wanna know what? CCP might go bankrupt cause they understand nothing about the "market" at all.

They have a niche SPACESHIP game for OLDER PLAYERS.

They then decide to develop TWO games at once. BAD IDEA. It'd be funny in a freshman business class project.

The Dust "Run Forest Run!" is a First Person Shooter targeted at young people. They changed demographics AND game type. Oh boy.

And you know what they are going up against? Halo. Call of Duty in it's various incarnations. They are going up against the first team(s) in an area where they have no prior experience.

Call of Duty:"Are you a god?"

Dust CCP Developers:"I know quite a bit about virtual economies without market orders."

Call of Duty:"HA HA HA ! THEN DIE!"

That's kinda how it is going to go down.

The only thing CCP has going for it is that the idiot head of Activision tried to wildly cheat the Infinity Ward people so they left.

Golden Goose is dead. But the zombie corpse is probably to much for CCP to handle.



Call of Duty sucks and it isn't even in the same class.

As for CCP not knowing anything about marketing and all that, you seem to be underinformed as to their collective educations and experience.

And, for that bit about the development of 2 games at once all it requires is organization and people. They have that and they are doing it successfully I might add. Where have you been?

edit: I suppose it is more appropriate to say they are working on that, given it wasn't so long ago that they decided they needed to do an internal restructuring, but whatever, it is working now to the best of my knowledge. /edit

If you want examples of companies that develop more than one game at a time and show that it can be done, perhaps you should look at EA. How many games are they developing right now?
zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub
Whitehound
#406 - 2012-04-22 21:27:19 UTC
Why is EVE not more successful? Because CCP allows players to post on the forums with only a PLEX. If they would only allow forum access to players who pay and thereby show an active, financial interest in the company might we get a clearer picture of what it is players want and what they are willing to pay for.

Just my $.02

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Deviant X
Deviant Inc
#407 - 2012-04-22 22:10:40 UTC
The world is made up of sheep.

Eve is made for wolves who like to hunt sheep.

Since not everybody can be a wolf, Eve is not as popular as other games with lots of rules, guides, or linear expectations.
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#408 - 2012-04-22 22:14:34 UTC
Deviant X wrote:
The world is made up of sheep.

Eve is made for wolves who like to hunt sheep.

Since not everybody can be a wolf, Eve is not as popular as other games with lots of rules, guides, or linear expectations.



You seem to have a unhealthy obsession with sheep.
Othran
Route One
#409 - 2012-04-22 23:01:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
People don't like to lose at MMO video games.

They figure they have paid their cash and they should win - or at the very least not "lose".

That's the reason most other MMO's are happy-clappy affairs where even if your gang gets wiped out, you don't lose (much, if any) stuff. Also the reason for instancing - people don't like stuff being taken from them in games.

That's the reason Eve isn't more successful and more importantly its the reason we ALL play itPirate
Deviant X
Deviant Inc
#410 - 2012-04-23 00:08:25 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
Deviant X wrote:
The world is made up of sheep.

Eve is made for wolves who like to hunt sheep.

Since not everybody can be a wolf, Eve is not as popular as other games with lots of rules, guides, or linear expectations.



You seem to have a unhealthy obsession with sheep.



Made me laugh ... +1 like.
Dbars Grinding
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#411 - 2012-04-23 00:34:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Dbars Grinding
its ok guys, get a long training Q ready. D3 is coming, hopefully it will breathe some fresh air into the video game market.

I have more space likes than you. 
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#412 - 2012-04-23 00:41:27 UTC
Constantly trying to make the game appeal to the general MMO audience at the expense of the niche playerbase that actually supports the game certainly doesn't help.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#413 - 2012-04-23 00:53:19 UTC
answer to the title:

Because you touch youself!

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#414 - 2012-04-23 00:55:27 UTC
Dbars Grinding wrote:
its ok guys, get a long training Q ready. D3 is coming, hopefully it will breathe some fresh air into the video game market.


Now THATS a hell of a troll... A Blizzard third sequel "breathing fresh air" lol

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Mathias Hex
#415 - 2012-04-23 02:56:00 UTC
Othran wrote:
People don't like to lose at MMO video games.

They figure they have paid their cash and they should win - or at the very least not "lose".

That's the reason most other MMO's are happy-clappy affairs where even if your gang gets wiped out, you don't lose (much, if any) stuff. Also the reason for instancing - people don't like stuff being taken from them in games.

That's the reason Eve isn't more successful and more importantly its the reason we ALL play itPirate


Good point, thats probably the coolest aspect of this game.

Dbars Grinding wrote:
its ok guys, get a long training Q ready. D3 is coming, hopefully it will breathe some fresh air into the video game market.


D3 the mighty ducks? There making a game? sweet!!!

I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#416 - 2012-04-23 03:08:54 UTC
Mathias Hex wrote:
Dbars Grinding wrote:
its ok guys, get a long training Q ready. D3 is coming, hopefully it will breathe some fresh air into the video game market.
D3 the mighty ducks? There making a game? sweet!!!
Hmm… that would actually stand a chance of being something new and fresh, unlike all the other Blizzard IP retreads. Lol
The Lobsters
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#417 - 2012-04-23 13:17:44 UTC
Bully Hedro wrote:

The reputation at being a troll invested, griefers club probably has a lot to do with it as well. Just look at the forums. Probably the most poorly moderated prepubescent troll invested game forum in the industry. Gives a clue to what the in-game has in store.



Fair point, but it has to be said, EVE does have a better class of troll, along with a better class of player.

That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested his claim.