EVE General Discussion

EVE is about drama ... and making spaceships explode - eveiseasy delivers on both.

I am not a subscriber but I did watch the videos when they were free. Good stuff and that is why I think you will be able to turn this around. I'd say $19 was greedy but $5 is actually quite reasonable. Good luck.

I'm gonna tl;dr the chat logs for everybody:

• Garmon + abaddon21 build EIE.com, abaddon21 gets 25% of all sales mainly for the idea + setup
• Garmon says he'll pay abaddon21 in one week
• Garmon realizes that was a mistake and wants to wait until CCP responds and 30 days pass in case lots of people want refunds
• Abaddon21 freaks out that he might get cut out of his 25% and demands his money at the one week mark (there's some haggling over whether the pay date was Sat or Sun but it doesn't matter)
• Garmon says chill, bu abaddon21 is in full berserk mode and takes down the site, etc
• Garmon has everything backed up at E-I-E.com

I want to back Garmon on this but if you make a really bad deal and then go back on it then that is not cool. Even if your intentions are good for the customers, you have to make good on the deal you made even if it was a horrible one.

The meltdown that abaddon21 has is pretty funny in my opinion, I have no idea why he did not just wait a single day or another week and he could have made some sweet $$$. Abaddon21 definitely played this very badly and very unprofessionally in the end.

All in all I just see this whole thing as disgusting. The people who subscribe to the website suck, the people who made the website suck, and all of the business partners suck.

The funniest part is that this is all over $1750 USD. That either party would get so worked up over chicken **** money is the hysterical part. I've seen business partners go control freak before over money, that's not even rare. But usually, it's over tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions, etc. People start fixating on that yacht they're going to buy with their share, and "I wants my monies now." It's also not rare to have one business partner string along another for days, weeks, months on getting their money, usually while some underhanded backroom **** is going on. But seriously, $1750 makes you flip like Cheetah? Maybe you should stick to running a lemonade stand on the corner, kid.

This kids, is why you have to trust aunt lanyaie with your money and not some random guy you know over the internet

Whodafuq would pay RL money for anything EvE-related to anyone other than CCP?

WTF

What I see is the fate that faces 99% of small businesses partnerships that I have ever seen: things appear to go swimmingly until the group has to face the reality about (a) money not being easy to handle due to legislative constraints or the operation of your payment processor, and (b) things not always going to plan.

At the very least, the financial plan of the company when it is formed should state who is collecting what money and how it is expected to be distributed. This plan should also include entry and exit options so that new members can join and old members can leave and at every step the partners know who is owed what money.

Proper planning prevents **** poor performance.

If you think Abaddon was being "greedy" you should see the marketing/sales/business types I've had to deal with. They'll make it seem like setting up a business and preparing a marketing strategy is really really hard, then ask for 20-40% of your company's income in perpetuity.

As for Abaddon's marketing: if you're after money, you go for where the easy money is. That is the PT Barnum crowd of "a fool and his money are easily parted." It is much harder to get money from people who don't want to spend it. So you go for the low hanging fruit of people who think you have a service worth paying for. This does mean that you end up behaving as if your customers are idiots, because they are (and they know it, and they're willing to pay you to help them stop being idiots).

Truth of business marketing 101 there, I'm afraid.

Abaddon and Garmon just have different approaches to running a business. Their "business ship" encountered some bad weather (the "our IP belongs to us" message from CCP), and none on that ship was prepared to handle the situation properly. Poor planning, poor communication, poor temper management: the outcome being their chat logs posted on every forum from sunup to sunset.

It would have been better for all involved if they had not aired their dirty laundry in public. But you will all forget, and next month you will be falling over yourselves to throw money at "EVE Is Easy", and none will remember this fracas (or you'll be laughing at the people who bring it up).

again... posting those usually gets you moderated... who do you all know in CCP?

Yes and they could be waiting for their lawyers office to open too, so they can be used as evidence in their potential lawsuit for not getting a license to use their copyrighted material for commercial use. (j/k)

Along with the twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs with circles
and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each
one was to be used as evidence against them. But I digress.