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Sleepers, effected by WH effects or not?
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#1 - 2011-09-28 15:13:19 UTC
Same as title. I have seen people say both. Which is correct, and source if possible.

I am almost positive that they do effect sleepers.

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Akuma Tsukai
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-09-28 15:24:51 UTC
according to my experience they do.
No proof however, just pure field data.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#3 - 2011-09-28 17:04:59 UTC
When I used to do C4 wh sites, I noticed a significant drop in damage that I was doing to Sleepers in Wolf-Rayet systems.

I no longer have the numbers as this was ~2 years ago, but I remember calculating the % difference in my damage in normal C4 systems and in Wolf-Rayet systems and finding it to be just under 27%, thus likely being rounded up.

I do remember hearing rumors though that not all effects affect Sleepers, but what I have said above was true then and I doubt it has changed.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#4 - 2011-09-28 17:09:01 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
When I used to do C4 wh sites, I noticed a significant drop in damage that I was doing to Sleepers in Wolf-Rayet systems.

I no longer have the numbers as this was ~2 years ago, but I remember calculating the % difference in my damage in normal C4 systems and in Wolf-Rayet systems and finding it to be just under 27%, thus likely being rounded up.

I do remember hearing rumors though that not all effects affect Sleepers, but what I have said above was true then and I doubt it has changed.


It seems to me the sig radius bonus is in effect also in a WR.

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Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#5 - 2011-09-28 19:46:02 UTC
Wouldn't this be an "unfair" advantage to sleepers in the Pro-armor wormholes in comparison to Pro-shield wormholes where Sleepers will receive penalties because they do not have shields?
Aamrr
#6 - 2011-09-28 21:34:00 UTC
Absolutely. Does CCP care? Probably not.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#7 - 2011-09-28 22:16:35 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Wouldn't this be an "unfair" advantage to sleepers in the Pro-armor wormholes in comparison to Pro-shield wormholes where Sleepers will receive penalties because they do not have shields?


It adds diversity to systems, making some systems more attractive than others.

This is a good thing.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-09-28 22:37:58 UTC
Wolf Rayet in my experience also affects sleepers - but still it makes those holes attractive for other reasons.


What I'm not sure about if is WH effects affect towers and structures. I.e. does the force field in wolf rayet suffer penalties?
Mart Allini
Lead Farmers
#9 - 2011-09-29 09:24:48 UTC
Cyniac wrote:
Wolf Rayet in my experience also affects sleepers - but still it makes those holes attractive for other reasons.


What I'm not sure about if is WH effects affect towers and structures. I.e. does the force field in wolf rayet suffer penalties?


From my experience, pulsars at least don't affect the POS shield. My theory is that POSes are overall unaffected by wormhole effects.
Lorkin Desal
That Hole Over There
#10 - 2011-09-29 11:05:01 UTC
Wormhole effects do effect sleepers. They will go faster in black holes and have a greater amount of remote repair in cataclysmic variables etc.
Comy 1
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-09-29 11:16:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Comy 1
They USED to be affected by WH effects. Sleepers in a WR took less damage due to the increased resistances, and the ones in a Pulsar took more due to the lower.

HOWEVER CCP stated in some patch that POSes no longer would be affected by some of the bonuses or some stuff like that (can't remember the actual notes). Fact is however that when I tested cleaning some sleepers in a C3 pulsar 2 weeks ago I no longer got increased damage on them. Exactly when this change i talk about happened I don't know, since I haven't grinded isk actively in a pretty long time.

Now, I haven't tested running in a WR in a long time, since I run shield ships and don't want to gimp myself. You never know if CCP managed to do something allowing sleepers to get positive but not negative effects. However if they managed to make all sleepers immune to all effects (negative and positive) it would actually be a nice change, making WR less useless even if I'm a bit mad about lower efficiency in a Pulsar.
Obax Bannon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-09-29 11:19:07 UTC
I was always (rightly or wrongly) under the impression that the various WH effects only applied to pilots, not sleepers or any POS in the system.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#13 - 2011-09-29 14:07:32 UTC
Here's the problem I have ATM with testing it... I dont have any cruise missiles that match the furies. I realize that damage is supposed to be "omni", but want to test it with kinetic/kinetic. etc. Right now my CN devastator's do more damage to battleships that wrath fury, I was able to confirm that.

The other problem I have is that I use a fleet issue typhoon, and don't want to use that ship in someone else's wormhole. Too much of a risk. So i have to run my sites in a regular phoon then find a WH to ninja.



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