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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#1 - 2012-04-22 16:36:52 UTC
The carrier prereq to not need BS L5? Will it be this patch or a later one with the rest of the dessy and BC changes? Ive been searching for this everywhere but havent found anything on it yet. I know the dessy and BC changes are coming in later patches but not sure about the timeline on the release of this change.

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Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#2 - 2012-04-22 16:46:33 UTC
I would really love to know that, because i've a character that only needs BS5 for the carrier and training it now would suck, if it changes in a month....

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#3 - 2012-04-22 16:59:21 UTC
Luba Cibre wrote:
I would really love to know that, because i've a character that only needs BS5 for the carrier and training it now would suck, if it changes in a month....

Exactly. Itd save me a month if they change it now.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Azemar
Voidhounds
Pretenders
#4 - 2012-04-22 18:40:26 UTC
I'm fairly certain the upcoming changes make BS V the only pre-requisite for carrier training. You'd still save a month on all the other crap, but i'm nearly 100% certain you'll still need BS V
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#5 - 2012-04-22 19:02:05 UTC
Azemar wrote:
I'm fairly certain the upcoming changes make BS V the only pre-requisite for carrier training. You'd still save a month on all the other crap, but i'm nearly 100% certain you'll still need BS V

No, in the dev blog (http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9129) they said, they want to remove BS V as a prequisite for carriers.

Quote:
but also reducing Battleship requirement from 5 to 4 for capitals.


And my carrier alt has every fcking support skill to 5 for a carrier and for a dread and i only need BS V for unlock both. So it does concern me, because if I train BS 5 now and they change it, i'm fcked. If they don't change it, i'm also fcked.

So if CCP start to screw with the skillplan for alot of players it would be really cool, if they make things clear with some time in advance because some skills aren't that short and fast to train.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-04-22 21:10:40 UTC
reducing the BS requ for caps is such horseshit...
still hoping they dont do it.

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Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#7 - 2012-04-22 21:35:55 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
reducing the BS requ for caps is such horseshit...
still hoping they dont do it.

i don't mind training it, i just want to know what they do, because training it and two days later they change it sucks.

"Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise." 
stoicfaux
#8 - 2012-04-22 23:05:31 UTC
Nothing has been set in stone yet. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=908403#post908403

Quote:

Q: Don’t you believe requiring [Race Industrial / Battleship 4] to train for Freighters / Capital ships make them too easy to aim for?

A: Possibly. Most likely. Again, there is nothing preventing us from increasing other skill requirements on Freighters or Capital Ships to keep the average training time identical if that is an issue. Such a change is quite far ahead in the future anyway, there is plenty of time to discuss and reconsider this.


Quote:

Q: Will all of these ship balancing changes be applied in one go for Inferno?

A: No, the nuance is we will begin this general ship balancing plan with Inferno. Not only trying to revamp everything for Inferno would require a massive commitment, but even if it was possible, doing so in one move would be quite risky as ship balancing is a delicate process.


Also: "That means we will proceed slowly, one step at a time, starting with the ship classes that need the most love (most likely tech 1 frigates and destroyers), then moving our way up."

My bet is that even though the BS4 requirement is quick and easy to implement, they won't do it until they try out the new system with frigates and destroyers. More importantly, since this is a big change, there should be at least a month's heads up on whatever they decide to do in order to get player feedback.

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#9 - 2012-04-23 06:39:50 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Nothing has been set in stone yet. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=908403#post908403

Quote:

Q: Don’t you believe requiring [Race Industrial / Battleship 4] to train for Freighters / Capital ships make them too easy to aim for?

A: Possibly. Most likely. Again, there is nothing preventing us from increasing other skill requirements on Freighters or Capital Ships to keep the average training time identical if that is an issue. Such a change is quite far ahead in the future anyway, there is plenty of time to discuss and reconsider this.


Quote:

Q: Will all of these ship balancing changes be applied in one go for Inferno?

A: No, the nuance is we will begin this general ship balancing plan with Inferno. Not only trying to revamp everything for Inferno would require a massive commitment, but even if it was possible, doing so in one move would be quite risky as ship balancing is a delicate process.


Also: "That means we will proceed slowly, one step at a time, starting with the ship classes that need the most love (most likely tech 1 frigates and destroyers), then moving our way up."

My bet is that even though the BS4 requirement is quick and easy to implement, they won't do it until they try out the new system with frigates and destroyers. More importantly, since this is a big change, there should be at least a month's heads up on whatever they decide to do in order to get player feedback.


Yeah the last news I got was the dessys and BCs are being done first for sure and when asked about the time frame for training those L5s in another thread the CCP response was that theyd give everyone enough time to be ready for that. So... looks then like Ill have to train it anyway which bites but what can you do.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#10 - 2012-04-27 10:04:29 UTC
Look at it the bright way, if you got BS to 5, you are also set to acces other shipclasses as well should the need arise.

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Srioghal moDhream
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-04-27 15:33:51 UTC
No it is horseshit, can I have my 120 days of training back then?
Boomhaur
#12 - 2012-04-28 08:06:50 UTC
It's not set in stone and chances are it is going to be a LONG time from now if they do, just train now and get it over with.

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-04-28 13:41:49 UTC
Luba Cibre wrote:
I would really love to know that, because i've a character that only needs BS5 for the carrier and training it now would suck, if it changes in a month....


I was saying exactly the same thing a month ago. Now I can happily fly caps and the patch is nowhere to be seen.

If the only thing you're missing is BS5, don't hold your breath and go for it.
RIP Wash
FISKL GUARDS
#14 - 2012-04-30 21:56:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Rip Wash
I wouldn't worry too much about it. CCP has always refunded skill-points when they change the skills around.

Besides I don't think they are changing the skills in Inferno anyways. I don't have a quote but I recall reading they need to flush out some of the ship lines (more than one destroyer, Marauder, etc) before changing the skills.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-05-09 02:07:41 UTC
RIP Wash wrote:
I wouldn't worry too much about it. CCP has always refunded skill-points when they change the skills around.

There would be no reason for them to refund the skillpoints here. They're not removing any skills...

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2012-05-09 05:52:02 UTC
Srioghal moDhream wrote:
No it is horseshit, can I have my 120 days of training back then?
No. But you can have maxed-out pirate battleships and easy access to blops and marauders.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-05-09 06:40:35 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Srioghal moDhream wrote:
No it is horseshit, can I have my 120 days of training back then?
No. But you can have maxed-out pirate battleships and easy access to blops and marauders.


what exactly is the point of that on a dedicated carrier pilot with no gunnery skills?

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-05-09 11:03:52 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Srioghal moDhream wrote:
No it is horseshit, can I have my 120 days of training back then?
No. But you can have maxed-out pirate battleships and easy access to blops and marauders.


what exactly is the point of that on a dedicated carrier pilot with no gunnery skills?

To delay putting you in a carrier, obviously.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Gul'gotha Derv'ash
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-05-09 17:41:35 UTC
From my understanding it is going to take quite a long time to make these changes. They stated they will be starting at the frig level and working their way up i.e. if it works for frigs it will still be months off before they get to BS and probably longer to caps.
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#20 - 2012-05-09 18:12:12 UTC
Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:
From my understanding it is going to take quite a long time to make these changes. They stated they will be starting at the frig level and working their way up i.e. if it works for frigs it will still be months off before they get to BS and probably longer to caps.



so when will the destroyer/battlecruiser change be? that i realy like to know

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