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Incursions are ridiculous currently.
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Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-04-22 05:36:42 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
posting in a "SPACESHIPS IS SRS BSNSS!" thread.

Something clever
Francisco Bizzaro
#22 - 2012-04-22 06:45:59 UTC
Kenneth Skybound wrote:
He's right though - immersion should be conserved where possible.

If CONCORD are so powerful and they'll deal so quickly with us, why not have a valid reason - and consequences - of not doing anything about an incursion.

I don't take part in anything like this (as yet) - just a newbie. All I know is blatant, gaping holes like that ruin the experience more than a bit. (see also warp bubbles forming in wrong direction).

CONCORD is just a game mechanic for enforcing some rules in hi-sec. CCP tacked on a back-story about them being a police force, apparently a very efficient one. It's an easy and effective restraint on hi-sec crime, and more sand-boxy than PVP-PVE flags which people often suggest.

But ideally, jobs in Eve should be player driven. That is, it would be great if we could get rid of CONCORD and players could police themselves to some extent. And this seems to be the direction of some of the discussion about future bounty systems and kill rights changes.

So if anything is immersion breaking, it's CONCORD itself. The mechanism of having players responsible for cleaning up incursions is very much in the spirit of Eve.
Ai Shun
#23 - 2012-04-22 08:12:43 UTC
supersexysucker wrote:
Cause I mean... they break it too! Hell they break it MORE.

Wtf concord can't take out a dumb frig rat in HS?

I could understand them staying away from an incrusion but a frig?!


I can understand the militia staying away from a common pirate in a lone frigate. They are fairly mobile and could warp away, etc. But an invasion of your space? Complete with degradation across the system and whatnot?

That seems like the type of thing the navy would respond to ...

That said. It would be much better in the game if we did not have CONCORD as a NPC group; but as a fallible, PC group. All NPC services should be in the hands of players anyway. And there should be a way to fight back against Incursions and defeat them once and for all. There must be an end.
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
#24 - 2012-04-22 08:19:05 UTC
I fully support concord taking an extended donut shop break in incursion space in high security space. All those shiny fleets you see that solely exist to exploit mechanic loopholes would become dust in the wind. If the bears want the fruits of incursions they should have to grow some claws and fight for it.

Im all for a sanctioned high security blood bath for such a valuable resource, it's fair and would introduce some much needed conflict and ship losses for whats become an autopilot to billions venture.

The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.

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COMEATMEBRO IMHERE
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-04-22 10:20:21 UTC
I disagree Mr Stark Pimpin is easy
Catalytic morphisis
Ruthless Regiment
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#26 - 2012-04-22 10:35:40 UTC
Ahhh yes lets remove co-operative PvE indeed, Seems like a good idea #Sarcasm

Actual Link free and scout free solo PvP'er
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-04-22 11:27:53 UTC
Catalytic morphisis wrote:
Ahhh yes lets remove co-operative PvE indeed, Seems like a good idea #Sarcasm



He didn't suggest to remove it.

However, if you're going to partake in it, there should be risk involved.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement
Whitehound
#28 - 2012-04-22 11:32:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Grimpak wrote:
posting in a "SPACESHIPS IS SRS BSNSS!" thread.

It reads more like a "spaceships are real"-thread if you would ask me.

Dear OP,

we, CONCORD, cannot handle it all, which is why we are rewarding you with loyalty points. We are very busy with counting war bribes and raiding of doughnut shops.

Yours Sincerely,
CONCORD

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Benilopax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-04-22 12:07:55 UTC
Simple solution have concord NPC ships fighting the high sec sansha ships, maybe a new site for vanguards, assaults and HQ where your fleet enters a raging space battle between the two sides with the objective being to repair concord ships and defeat the enemy, gives logis something to do on top of keeping DPS alive.

...
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#30 - 2012-04-22 12:34:47 UTC
Mr Stark wrote:

Immersion is important here, breaking it so that you can have a feature is ridiculous, especially as it is such a stupid breakage. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.


+1, fully supported.

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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-04-22 12:46:21 UTC
CONCORD is officially neutral to the goings on of the empires. (which sanshas nation is) So they contract out their dirty work to us. They can't "officially" take action against Nation.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#32 - 2012-04-22 13:01:35 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
CONCORD is officially neutral to the goings on of the empires. (which sanshas nation is) So they contract out their dirty work to us. They can't "officially" take action against Nation.


They actually can! Sansha's Nation, for obvious reasons, never became a CONCORD signatory, so CONCORD considers them to be a pirate entity.

Nation itself considers itself a burgeoning empire.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#33 - 2012-04-22 13:07:56 UTC
I wondered why they didn't just call them what they are:

Glorified Level 6 Missions.

No easily broken storyline needed.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-04-22 13:20:22 UTC
Mr Stark wrote:

Basically make that constelation not have concord response, or at very least no concord response inside an incursion site.


lol so he wants to gank not only in high sec but also inside incursion and not get concorded.
funny. Good luck cos you are never gonna get it Big smile
AureoBroker
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-04-22 13:28:58 UTC
I always thought that CONCORD had weapons engineered to deal with pod-piloted ships, not godlike status.
Ohwell.
Paintchk
Facepunch Industries
#36 - 2012-04-22 13:40:34 UTC
I read somewhere on one of the Chronicles that when the Sansha Invade they have some type of jamming system that disables system security forces from attacking. Thoughs who aren't affected by it are ordered to protect planets, stations and the gate from other attacks too protect the civilians. Concord on the other hand I'm not sure. But we are expected too attack the Sansha on our own. I agree there is some immersion breaking in Incursion but be good too see it. I also agree taht Incursion are breaking EVE Bear
=D
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