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Eve Online: Inflation
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lethaldeathspell
Demonic Torment and Paroxysmal Rigorism
#1 - 2012-04-22 03:51:13 UTC
I think the name of the expansion should be changed from 'Escalation' to 'Inflation' or 'Speculation' to better reflect the prices in Jita. This will give the pilots a better understanding on what the new expansion is all about.

In all seriousness, this is a bad thing for Eve. With prices as high as they are (ship prices have doubled in Jita), there will be less PVP since people will be less willing to lose their ships. Also, these prices will make it more difficult for new players to compete.
ACE McFACE
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-04-22 03:53:21 UTC
Really its more returning back to its normal levels with the removal of bots and the speculation based on the removal of drone mineral drops. Im not one of those people that wants EVE back in the old days when it was very rare to see a BS but I would rather higher prices rather than bots running all over the place

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Joshua Aivoras
Tech IV Industries
#3 - 2012-04-22 04:08:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Joshua Aivoras
What we're experiencing atm is a combo of speculation economics and an actual removal of (some) larger causes of artificial deflation that have existed for a while now.

95% of the players are loving EVE, the other 5%? On the forums.
Adunh Slavy
#4 - 2012-04-22 04:09:16 UTC
The population distribution across the security levels has remained pretty much the same for a very long time, even in that very long price deflationary period where PVP was the cheapest it has ever been.

I doubt the PVP will change much one way or the other. Smaller ships may be used more than larger more expensive ships. This is good for new players, it allows them to be competitive sooner rather than later. Also as smaller ships are used, demand for minerals decreases, this will put downward pressure on prices.

New players can go mine and take profit from the increased prices as well. Honestly that may be better, out in the belts interacting with other players instead of solo in some mission someplace.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-04-22 04:53:06 UTC
lethaldeathspell wrote:
In all seriousness, this is a bad thing for Eve.


What? People have been asking for this for a long time. Are you also pro-botting and pro a few 0.0 regions destroying the entire profession of mining?

lethaldeathspell wrote:
With prices as high as they are (ship prices have doubled in Jita)


No they haven't. Maybe +20%, but nowhere need 2x. Might want to invest in a calculator if you can't find the ingame one

lethaldeathspell wrote:
there will be less PVP since people will be less willing to lose their ships. Also, these prices will make it more difficult for new players to compete.


If people PvP'd when vags were 250m,and people pvp now in 300m cynabals, people will pvp with 48m isk insurable hurricanes just fine. New players have way, way, way, WAY more methods to gain millions of isk a heck of a lot sooner than I did when I first played. I even had to train learning skills and other nonsense, new players have it so easy compared to vets.
Siva Surya Kshatriya
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-04-22 04:56:22 UTC
lethaldeathspell wrote:
I think the name of the expansion should be changed from 'Escalation' to 'Inflation' or 'Speculation' to better reflect the prices in Jita. This will give the pilots a better understanding on what the new expansion is all about.

In all seriousness, this is a bad thing for Eve. With prices as high as they are (ship prices have doubled in Jita), there will be less PVP since people will be less willing to lose their ships. Also, these prices will make it more difficult for new players to compete.



People who play this game for the PVP aren't going to suddenly stop just because their favorite BC hulls have doubled in price - they're just going to start fielding more cruisers and frigates, most of whom have been largely unaffected by the speculation.
Whitehound
#7 - 2012-04-22 05:21:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Adunh Slavy wrote:
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New players can go mine and take profit from the increased prices as well. Honestly that may be better, out in the belts interacting with other players instead of solo in some mission someplace.

The point you seem to be missing (or not) is that it is an inflation. Sure, the rookies get more ISKs for their ore, but they will also need to pay more. It then depends on how they choose to play EVE.

Every fix cost from skill books to clones will weight less when you take part in the production process of things. Those who do not take part will have to pay more for everything else in comparison. All the mission runners will get the same amount of bounties, LPs and rewards. They, too, will get less compared to the increasing prices of items, but it is not quite sure how much, because they now get bounties from rogue drones instead of minerals. Many of the mission runners do not even loot and salvage the wrecks of the NPCs ...

PvPers, who finance their losses with the loot from other players' wrecks, will still be able to pay for their bills and they will get more ISKs in return when they are good. The bad ones will have to try harder. So it is not going to change much for PvP and only for the better.

The inflation then "hurts" all those players, who have got a lot of ISKs, but did not invest it into something. Their current ISKs will buy less in the future.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-04-22 05:29:33 UTC
Whitehound wrote:

The point you seem to be missing is that it is an inflation. Sure, the rookies get more ISKs for their ore, but they will also need to pay more. It then depends on how they choose to play EVE.


Nothing has changed, hooray! Big smile

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Adunh Slavy
#9 - 2012-04-22 05:47:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Adunh Slavy
Whitehound wrote:

The point you seem to be missing is that it is an inflation. Sure, the rookies get more ISKs for their ore, but they will also need to pay more. It then depends on how they choose to play EVE.


Not missing this point at all. Instead of running missions to pay for things, they now have more oppertunity to do other things besides run missions. In the previous delfationary price environment, with inflating money supply, all other activities lost value in terms of time compared to ISK faucet activities.

As for those who refuse to change their activities, or refuse to take advantage of the increasing prices on the way to a new equilibrium, that is their choice.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Whitehound
#10 - 2012-04-22 05:51:17 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
As for those who refuse to change their activities, or refuse to take advantage of the increasing prices on the way to a new eqilibrium, that is their choice.

That is true. I would say the smart will win over the dumb and this is never bad.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#11 - 2012-04-22 06:13:52 UTC
Inflation means ISK is worth less. Through all this zydrine hysteria, ships doubling in price, Plex has remained stable. Yes it might have gone up over the last year but this market stuff only just started 3 or 4 months ago. Because Plex really hasn't moved aside from a few minipulations, ISK hasn't really lost value. A billion ISK is still worth $70 US.

We aren't seeing inflation. We are seeing price gouging.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2012-04-22 06:32:28 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:


No they haven't. Maybe +20%, but nowhere need 2x. Might want to invest in a calculator if you can't find the ingame one



More like 90%.
Copine Callmeknau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-04-22 07:10:22 UTC
High prices only stops you PvPing if you are terrible at PvP....

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-04-22 07:40:02 UTC
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
High prices only stops you PvPing if you are terrible at PvP....


Oh noes! high price is going to stop me. I'm terrible at PvP

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Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-04-22 07:48:43 UTC
I'm glad prices are going up.

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thowlimer
Roprocor Ltd
#16 - 2012-04-22 08:10:33 UTC
Inflation only means that missioning/bounties will be worth less/hour spent, anything where you get the isk
from the market rather than an isk faucet will be about the same(more isk but that is then balanced by
having to pay more).

So inflation nerfs missioning(which a lot of people are arguing is a good thing...) and
bounties, while manufacturing/mining/exploration or pretty much anything else that
involves the market will just have higher flow of isk, but the time spent to aquire an item
will be roughly the same.

As it looks to me this will mostly hurt older players who rely on a big wallet and are now seeing
the value of their isk dropping fast, new player will still have to spend about the same time to get what
they want which is what we should look at, not the amount of isk but the hours spent to squire something.

Also bear in mind that mineral prices before the drone regions crashed the market was in some cases higher
and other lower than they are atm, CCP has stated that they know the market will go haywire(in more polite words)
but that they will wait until things settle down before doing anything. Not much point crying wolf everytime
someone starts speculating on the mineral market.

Thowlimer

PS : this will also bring a much needed return of consequence back into PVP, loosing a ship is supposed to
hurt financially, lately people seem to throw away tech 2 ships like theres no tomorrow and replacing them after
an hour or two of their favourite isk gathering
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#17 - 2012-04-22 08:52:59 UTC
lethaldeathspell wrote:
I think the name of the expansion should be changed from 'Escalation' to 'Inflation' or 'Speculation' to better reflect the prices in Jita. This will give the pilots a better understanding on what the new expansion is all about.

In all seriousness, this is a bad thing for Eve. With prices as high as they are (ship prices have doubled in Jita), there will be less PVP since people will be less willing to lose their ships. Also, these prices will make it more difficult for new players to compete.



Counterpoint: what is happening is an extremely good thing for EVE.

The ideal solution would be for CCP to just delete 50% of all the ISK in existence, but people have an irrational attachment to their wallet number, so the next best thing is just to let prices double.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2012-04-22 09:01:27 UTC
Just wait for it .. the boticide has just begun, when the sweep is done expect half of null to be banned; ISK generation plummets and staggering amounts of assets/ISK is nuked .. deflation will crash the markets and CCP forced to introduce a bot for purchase in NeX to stabilize the situation.

Paranoia is FUN!
Whitehound
#19 - 2012-04-22 09:07:11 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
Just wait for it .. the boticide has just begun, when the sweep is done expect half of null to be banned; ISK generation plummets and staggering amounts of assets/ISK is nuked .. deflation will crash the markets and CCP forced to introduce a bot for purchase in NeX to stabilize the situation.

Paranoia is FUN!

Hell ...

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Ispai Ponue
Chaos Delivery Systems
#20 - 2012-04-22 09:12:31 UTC
lethaldeathspell wrote:
I think the name of the expansion should be changed from 'Escalation' to 'Inflation' or 'Speculation' to better reflect the prices in Jita. This will give the pilots a better understanding on what the new expansion is all about.

In all seriousness, this is a bad thing for Eve. With prices as high as they are (ship prices have doubled in Jita), there will be less PVP since people will be less willing to lose their ships. Also, these prices will make it more difficult for new players to compete.



Dude...at this point I'd love to lose a ship. Posting as an alt because I don't want to **** people off....but I've been doing nothing but buy ships at outrageous prices to get into the "official fleet fits" for the 50 ******* different kinds I have to have only to sit around for hours and not do anything when I actually get to sign in when a fleet is going.

If I could just buy a ship, fit it....fly it....get killed....replace it....etc....dude, I'd be blowing sperm all over in my pants. As it is I've got a crap load of overpriced ships sitting in station that I get to fly once in a while....no chance of getting destroyed...and I'm still ratting myself to the bone trying to afford all the bullshit I'm supposed to have.

THAT is what's going to kill EvE and it's got nothing to do with anytihng that CCP is doing.
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