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Mission rejection affect on agent mission pool

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-04-21 17:11:02 UTC
I am currently mission running in a constellation with 1 lowsec system that my agent seems rather fixated on as of late. I remember reading a while back that rejecting a mission removed it from the agents pool for a while at least. So by rejecting otherwise good missions because they are in the lowsec system, am I making it so they cannot be pulled again from this agent?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#2 - 2012-04-21 17:35:52 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
I am currently mission running in a constellation with 1 lowsec system that my agent seems rather fixated on as of late. I remember reading a while back that rejecting a mission removed it from the agents pool for a while at least. So by rejecting otherwise good missions because they are in the lowsec system, am I making it so they cannot be pulled again from this agent?


I've been playing over 2 years, and have never heard of or witnessed Declining Missions having any affect on the recurrence of any particular mission in any manner.

The same ones have always come up, whether declined or not.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2012-04-21 18:07:45 UTC
There are differing takes on this. It's safe to say that no relationship has been proven between mission rejection and agent offers. DeMichael Crimson absolutely insists that rejecting missions enough will remove them from the offer pool; lots of others disagree. I've never noticed this effect myself, though lately DMC has been claiming it isn't as noticeable in Gallente space (where I normally run missions when I can be asked).

So basically, if there is an effect, it isn't noticeable enough to grab many people's attention. If there's not, you're in the clear anyway.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#4 - 2012-04-21 18:11:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
After a full year, I still get the exact same Low Sec Couriers from Ammatar Fleet.

No change in missions or frequency of offerings at all.

IF reality is different, would be great to find that Dev blog alluded to.............

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#5 - 2012-04-21 18:15:43 UTC
No dev blog one way or the other.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#6 - 2012-04-21 18:27:17 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
No dev blog one way or the other.



Yup. Always happens in threads beginning with "I remember reading somewhere..................."

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-04-21 19:29:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
No dev blog one way or the other.



Yup. Always happens in threads beginning with "I remember reading somewhere..................."

Was a one off comment dev response to a person who complained about having the same faction kill misions being presented to them provided I'm remembering correctly. CBA to find it as it was on old forums IIRC. But again without confirmation the basis of this question is personal accounts from other mission runners as well. Can't say I've taken specific notice of the affect but that is because I don't really track my offers. So in the absence of conclusive evidence or dev confirmation that I can find, "I remember reading somewhere..." is the best I've got. If you are right and the pools are unaffected then I'm good I suppose.

Edit: I don't recall it being stated as a change but an explanation of functionality currently in place and as such wouldn't be in a blog true or not.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#8 - 2012-04-21 19:33:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
It's not worth worrying about.

If you don't like the agents and missions there.............MOVE.

There are HUNDREDS of Corps and even MORE Agents.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-04-21 20:02:22 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
There are differing takes on this. It's safe to say that no relationship has been proven between mission rejection and agent offers. DeMichael Crimson absolutely insists that rejecting missions enough will remove them from the offer pool; lots of others disagree. I've never noticed this effect myself, though lately DMC has been claiming it isn't as noticeable in Gallente space (where I normally run missions when I can be asked).

So basically, if there is an effect, it isn't noticeable enough to grab many people's attention. If there's not, you're in the clear anyway.


Instead of posting my name and repeatedly making reference to it, you could have simply stated -
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Basically if there is an effect, it isn't noticeable enough to grab many people's attention. If there's not, you're in the clear anyway.


There was definitely no reason whatsoever for you to turn your reply into a personal attack on me. The specific wording of your reply is intended to insult, berate and demean. Your statements about me are inaccurate and intentionally misrepresent me and my viewpoints regarding agent mission offers. Insinuating that I stand alone while the rest of the playerbase disagrees with me and that I change or amend my statement as if trying to save face is also incorrect.

I now politely ask that you please refrain from posting false statements about me.. It would be best if you just posted your own biased unfounded viewpoints based on your own experiences.

If you happen to have high standings with all Empire Factions, I'd be more than happy to compare notes.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#10 - 2012-04-21 20:29:52 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

There was definitely no reason whatsoever for you to turn your reply into a personal attack on me. The specific wording of your reply is intended to insult, berate and demean. Your statements about me are inaccurate and intentionally misrepresent me and my viewpoints regarding agent mission offers. Insinuating that I stand alone while the rest of the playerbase disagrees with me and that I change or amend my statement as if trying to save face is also incorrect.

I now politely ask that you please refrain from posting false statements about me.. It would be best if you just posted your own biased unfounded viewpoints based on your own experiences.

If you happen to have high standings with all Empire Factions, I'd be more than happy to compare notes.


Sigh. I'm not saying you're wrong this time. I'm stating that you're vocal on one side of the fence and I haven't seen it myself -- but that you've offered up a reason why that might be. I've also asserted that no one has statistically valid proof one way or another.

Anyhow, no attack intended. I was actually hoping you would come out of the woodwork and give an answer yourself. This wasn't what I had hoped for.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#11 - 2012-04-21 20:32:20 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

There was definitely no reason whatsoever for you to turn your reply into a personal attack on me. The specific wording of your reply is intended to insult, berate and demean.


I do not see how you can surmise that from what he typed. I did not get that impression at all, for what it's worth.

DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Insinuating that I stand alone while the rest of the playerbase disagrees with me and that I change or amend my statement as if trying to save face is also incorrect.


He simply says "lots" of players disagree with you. You are hardly singled out like a t*rd in a punchbowl.

DeMichael Crimson wrote:

I now politely ask that you please refrain from posting false statements about me.. It would be best if you just posted your own biased unfounded viewpoints based on your own experiences.

If you happen to have high standings with all Empire Factions, I'd be more than happy to compare notes.


You do everything but outline for us just what exactly your position is.....and in a relevant forum at that.

You need to take a chill pill princess. It's going to be alright.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-04-22 02:25:48 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
I am currently mission running in a constellation with 1 lowsec system that my agent seems rather fixated on as of late. I remember reading a while back that rejecting a mission removed it from the agents pool for a while at least. So by rejecting otherwise good missions because they are in the lowsec system, am I making it so they cannot be pulled again from this agent?

Back a while ago a Dev Blog was released, one of CCP's workarounds to help ease the stress on server nodes and reduce lag was having regular agents send mission runners to nearby systems that had the lowest population count. Another change CCP did to the agents was for them not to offer the same exact mission twice in a row.

So basically the way it's supposed to work: If the nearby system with the lowest population count happens to be low sec, that would be the mission location and the agent would not offer the same exact mission twice in a row, back to back.

However, due to all the recent changes, patches, fixes, etc., nobody can say if that is indeed the case now.

As for you question - Does declining those missions over time result in them not being offered again? No



Zhilia Mann is mistaken for referencing me or my viewpoint to your particular situation since it doesn't even apply.

More importantly, I no longer care to deal with all the flak generated by various players demanding I show official proof to support my statements..I have no proof, no statistics or graph to show. My theory is purely conjecture based from my own personal experience due to viewing my standings, skills and mission transaction logs. Some players may disagree and some may agree with the theory, depends on their own experiences.

The theory does include declining specific missions but mainly it's about how high standings may affect agent mission offers pertaining to Anti-Empire verses Anti-Pirate missions. The basic premise has 2 parts:

1) Faction Standings - negative standings listed in the character sheet of the player forms the base pool from which the encounter missions are randomly offered.

2) Agent Effective Standing - as the agent standing goes up, that agent will offer more and more of the type of missions that were previously accepted and completed by the player.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-04-22 09:11:52 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
It's not worth worrying about.

If you don't like the agents and missions there.............MOVE.

There are HUNDREDS of Corps and even MORE Agents.

Your response told me nothing I didn't already know and I can only guess assumed I had no reason for picking the particular agent which brought this question to mind. I use more than one agent to get around repeat lowsec offers so not being able to do missions I want is a non-issue. I was simply trying to clarify if a mechanic existed or not.

@ DMC: Thanks.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#14 - 2012-04-22 13:25:06 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

More importantly, I no longer care to deal with all the flak generated by various players demanding I show official proof to support my statements..I have no proof, no statistics or graph to show. My theory is purely conjecture based from my own personal experience due to viewing my standings, skills and mission transaction logs.

2) Agent Effective Standing - as the agent standing goes up, that agent will offer more and more of the type of missions that were previously accepted and completed by the player.



Ran Level 4 Security for Wyirkomi for 12+ months, and there was no adjustment in the frequency of any Mission offerings at all.

What, in your super-secret data conjecturing, has you thinking this is otherwise ?

I too can SWEAR I saw 5 Abbadons fly past me shooting sparkly rainbows for Engine Trails, claim to have no proof, yet continue to post ALL about it.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-04-22 15:35:01 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
It's not worth worrying about.

If you don't like the agents and missions there.............MOVE.

There are HUNDREDS of Corps and even MORE Agents.

Your response told me nothing I didn't already know and I can only guess assumed I had no reason for picking the particular agent which brought this question to mind. I use more than one agent to get around repeat lowsec offers so not being able to do missions I want is a non-issue. I was simply trying to clarify if a mechanic existed or not.

@ DMC: Thanks.


You're welcome, as you can tell from the various other posted replies, these forums have basically turned into a cesspool filled with EPEEN swinging characters bent on personal attacks and trolling for flame war.