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Goatfather
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-04-21 20:24:45 UTC
Please re-implement / modify things you've changed/removed.
Please consider some of the additions listed, please consider the word, Hard.


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Travel & Ship Movement Changes

Remove warp to 0
Add some sort of invisible bubble to all celestials preventing them to be landed on @ 0. (and watch the game change)

Re-Add & Increase Station Timers - undocking/docking/ship change/etc
No more of this undock, instance re-dock crap. Why did you take away ship change timers?

Increase aggression timers to 120seconds
Make us Commit more.
Raise your hand if you've gotten countless ships to a sliver of structure only to see them jump a gate or dock. 0/

Add spool up timers to jump drives | capitals
Once we click "jump to" that timer needs to kick in.

Add warp drive heat/cooldowns to all ships
*Add Warp Core to all ships, over-use = damage = increased warp cooldown
*After warping there should be a small cooldown period, and a heat cycle, after the cooldown period the ship can warp again, but if within heat cycle will create more heat and possible damage to the warp core, thus increasing future cooldown periods.

Add cost to dock @ NPC Stations
Adjustable based on standings / Corp creation HQ / etc

Add cloaking device fuels / heat

Add Ship Undock range to start @ 500meters
* When we undock, we should immediately be out of re-docking range
* or as stated above re-increase dock timers

Add fuel bays to all ships to traverse stargates
*Increase consumption in Low, even more in Null.
(1 bay of fuel could = 35 High-Sec jumps, 15 Low, 10 Null -- Put those "NAPS/BLUES" to work)
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Resource Changes

Add depletion/rotation to moon/ore/ice/planet resources
You want those resources? Go find them. If it takes hours/days, that's the point.

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Player Structure Changes

Make player stations destructible & Increase costs to build

Make POS's easier to destroy for sub-cap groups / Limit anchorable structures in high-low-null-wh

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Spacial Changes

Add spacial anomalies like within Wormholes to All space (Random)

Add heat from Suns
* Sun Grids produce extra heat to ships
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Generic Changes

Increase Clone Insurance
Make it hurt more.

Add an Arena
*Accessible from Captains Quarters
*Accessible in High-Sec || Ship must be docked in Arena area
*Allow Isk Betting
*Leaderboard
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2 - 2012-04-21 20:32:55 UTC
Good job.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-04-21 20:35:06 UTC  |  Edited by: masternerdguy
Please remove warp to 0! It will make EVE a glorious game again.

I support this list. This game can be hard again.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#4 - 2012-04-21 20:38:12 UTC
Don't forget to make bookmarking anything within 100km of a warpable object a bannable exploit ~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-04-21 20:39:29 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Don't forget to make bookmarking anything within 100km of a warpable object a bannable exploit ~


Definately needed. Otherwise the no warp to 0 change is worthless.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-04-21 20:40:14 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Don't forget to make bookmarking anything within 100km of a warpable object a bannable exploit ~


This, so that Eve doesn't turn into the lagathon it once was

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Yatama Kautsuo
Tencus
#7 - 2012-04-21 20:40:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Yatama Kautsuo
hi, i am a ganker and want the game to change so i can harvest more tears.

imagine a new player without any isk. how could he afford fuel or docking fees?

warping with a cd? are you serious? traveling is tedious as it is. now we have to wait after each gate for this ****** cd?

and you're ressource changes... hello, i am no miner, i want for them to use up even more time even though i profit from them...

not gonna happen, i'm sorry... actualy no i'm not
Sakkar Arenith
Kenmei Corporation
#8 - 2012-04-21 20:41:26 UTC
intersting,

i have to say that pretty much all of your suggested changes contradict what I want EVE to become.


while i certainly appreciate the effort, most of the "pvp changes" you're suggesting seem to indicate that you don't really have a grasp on what is wrong with EVE / PVP.


Undock timers/ station games are not really the problem.

its rather the "blob" issue, i.e. why fight when defeat is certain?


so, the question then becomes, how to get rid of the blob advantage/purpose, one of the most commonly suggested points there that i dearly agree with is to remove the "local" channel, creating a sort of "wh" environment where big blobs will be starved out, and solo/small gang warfare becomes more attractive again, thus giving people at least the fair impression that the odds may be in their favor.


as it stands now, most non noobs know the outcome of a fight long before they undock....
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#9 - 2012-04-21 20:43:50 UTC
I too would like things that benefit me.

Matter of fact I'm sure everyone would like stuff that benefits them. Cake and Pie and various other pastries for all!

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#10 - 2012-04-21 20:44:47 UTC
Yatama Kautsuo wrote:
imagine a new player without any isk. how could he afford fuel or docking fees?

Heh, can they get to Jita and ask for money in local?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#11 - 2012-04-21 20:47:47 UTC
Sakkar Arenith wrote:
its rather the "blob" issue, i.e. why fight when defeat is certain?

so, the question then becomes, how to get rid of the blob advantage/purpose, one of the most commonly suggested points there that i dearly agree with is to remove the "local" channel, creating a sort of "wh" environment where big blobs will be starved out, and solo/small gang warfare becomes more attractive again, thus giving people at least the fair impression that the odds may be in their favor.

as it stands now, most non noobs know the outcome of a fight long before they undock...

Pretty sure we would degenerate into timer-based warfare.

Shoot the POS, Rep the POS, didn't want that POS anyway ~~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#12 - 2012-04-21 20:49:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Has anybody seen Mr. The Lock yet today ?

He's been quiet.....

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Goatfather
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-04-21 21:59:16 UTC
Yatama Kautsuo wrote:
hi, i am a ganker and want the game to change so i can harvest more tears.

imagine a new player without any isk. how could he afford fuel or docking fees?


NPC corp for docking fee's, Fuels could be awarded via New Player Experience awards. Simple.

Yatama Kautsuo wrote:

warping with a cd? are you serious? traveling is tedious as it is. now we have to wait after each gate for this ****** cd?

I'd be dead serious if it was implemented. Serious regardless. I hate traveling, always have, but I dislike making traveling easier/faster, clearly that idea has slowly distorted and ruined the idea.

Yatama Kautsuo wrote:

and you're ressource changes... hello, i am no miner, i want for them to use up even more time even though i profit from them...

not gonna happen, i'm sorry... actualy no i'm not


To bad, that's life in the big universe, everything needs to be limited, and random, obviously this would more effect 0.0 than high-sec. Asteroids already are limited as is.
Serene Repose
#14 - 2012-04-21 22:01:13 UTC
While you're at it, I need my bathroom redecorated, my dog needs a bath, and my yard needs trimming.
There's some good fellows. Blink

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#15 - 2012-04-21 22:01:28 UTC
Goatfather wrote:
To bad, that's life in the big universe, everything needs to be limited, and random, obviously this would more effect 0.0 than high-sec. Asteroids already are limited as is.

By ores, you mean you want them to change the grav site code? Hm, interesting ...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Goatfather
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-04-21 22:03:53 UTC
Sakkar Arenith wrote:
intersting,

i have to say that pretty much all of your suggested changes contradict what I want EVE to become.


while i certainly appreciate the effort, most of the "pvp changes" you're suggesting seem to indicate that you don't really have a grasp on what is wrong with EVE / PVP.


Undock timers/ station games are not really the problem.

its rather the "blob" issue, i.e. why fight when defeat is certain?


so, the question then becomes, how to get rid of the blob advantage/purpose, one of the most commonly suggested points there that i dearly agree with is to remove the "local" channel, creating a sort of "wh" environment where big blobs will be starved out, and solo/small gang warfare becomes more attractive again, thus giving people at least the fair impression that the odds may be in their favor.


as it stands now, most non noobs know the outcome of a fight long before they undock....



To this I say, read the post, and consider what the changes would do to blobs.
I will assume you were not around or in "large" gangs prior to warp to 0 alone?

In present game the ability to "SPEED" is what allows for blob creation. I know this from several sies of the fence, on the blob side and off. Also get to look at it from neutral standpoints.

Such is the joy of having numerous accounts, allows for participation and experience within all forms of combat
Goatfather
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-04-21 22:06:43 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Goatfather wrote:
To bad, that's life in the big universe, everything needs to be limited, and random, obviously this would more effect 0.0 than high-sec. Asteroids already are limited as is.

By ores, you mean you want them to change the grav site code? Hm, interesting ...



Resources are quite abundant, we all know this. CCP once invisioned limited resources, but with most visions they take years to come to head, and by that tiem end up being a problem, IE the effect of Capitals / Titans on the game, prior to the "present" balancing changes.

Once upon a time it was a Luxury to own a few HACS & BS's, people fought hard to keep what they worked hard for.
Now a days money is abundant, easy, thus that instinct to fight, isn't the same.
Gloomy Gus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#18 - 2012-04-21 22:08:10 UTC
CCP you sillies why haven't you been focusing on this list of changes above that this guy wants what have you been doing anyway stop twiddling your thumbs and get to work pleasing [insert name of OP here]

"DIE N***ERS1 DIE!!!" - EVENEWS24's Riverini "Gloomy Gus is literally a pocket" - Krixtal Icefluxor (former EVE Online player)
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#19 - 2012-04-21 22:09:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Goatfather wrote:
Remove warp to 0
Add some sort of invisible bubble to all celestials preventing them to be landed on @ 0. (and watch the game change)


masternerdguy wrote:
Please remove warp to 0! It will make EVE a glorious game again.


Since neither of you are even close to being old enough to remember what a complete soul-crushing grind travelling anywhere in EVE was before WTZ, I'm going to politely suggest that you both GTFO and just use warp to 15K from now on if you think it would be so cool.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Lord Dravius
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-04-21 22:14:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Dravius
Doc Fury wrote:

Since neither of you are even close to being old enough to remember what a complete soul-crushing grind travelling anywhere in EVE was before WTZ, I'm going to politely suggest that you both GTFO and just use warp to 15K from now on if you think it would be so cool.

I started in phase 3 of closed beta. Do I get an opinion? Speaking as a former pirate, this had about the same effect on my income as drone alloys did on miners. They should remove jump drives too while they're at it. Low sec is a shadow of its former glory.
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