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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#21 - 2012-03-29 23:13:48 UTC
Alain Kinsella wrote:

My personal hope is that Jita just becomes another hub - all four becoming more equal to each other (yes, I'm implying that Dodixie finally gets first-class status).


My hope as well. Jita has too much weight in the current economy. So much that I'm surprised CCP hasn't slapped a 0.5% transaction tax on top of existing fees in Jita as an ISK sink and to encourage some movement out of Jita.

If the Goons can hit Jita for 2-4 weeks straight, the tears will not only be epic, but it will encourage players to spread out once again and not all flock to Jita to sell. I do wish them luck in that endeavor.

Healthier secondary trade hubs means more niches for the smaller traders to get a foothold into the market.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-03-30 02:39:41 UTC
If trade becomes dispersed, it will only be temporary. Market forces will consolidate commerce somewhere.
Alain Kinsella
#23 - 2012-03-30 09:50:30 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:

Jita has too much weight in the current economy. So much that I'm surprised CCP hasn't slapped a 0.5% transaction tax on top of existing fees in Jita as an ISK sink and to encourage some movement out of Jita.


Due to how the remote trade skills work, you'd really have to do that at the region level to be most effective (since just taxing Jita would change focus to constellation level).

@ OfBalance - While that may still happen long-term, the hope is to lessen Jita's effects a bit, by making people more comfortable in working out of another hub.

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DoraTheExplora Taft
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#24 - 2012-03-30 20:36:23 UTC
Alain Kinsella wrote:
Katarina Reid wrote:
Will other market hubs see more demand?


If the casual buyers are smart, they already moved to another hub long ago. If not, they'll learn awful fast.

My personal hope is that Jita just becomes another hub - all four becoming more equal to each other (yes, I'm implying that Dodixie finally gets first-class status).


@ corestwo - valid point. My previous experience with SL makes me think (if Sony was behind some of this) that you're in for an interesting time. GL with your guys efforts, I had enough of that back with y'all in SL so I'll just sit back and grab some popcorn this time.

Jita's power is in a belief. A belief that if you want to process transactions quickly and with as high volume as possible than jita will always be best. If this ever becomes untrue for long enough to destroy that faith then anything could happen. Somehow I doubt this event has the power to do that.
Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-03-30 21:59:37 UTC
Jita is a powerful beast. Taking it down, even a peg, is no easy task for any group. Might slow it down for a short period, though.
avatar rayne
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-03-31 01:18:45 UTC
ummmmmm 75% of jita is docked you fools!!!!Twisted
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#27 - 2012-03-31 03:38:20 UTC
Alain Kinsella wrote:

Due to how the remote trade skills work, you'd really have to do that at the region level to be most effective (since just taxing Jita would change focus to constellation level).


Or 0.5% in Jita, decreasing at 0.1% every jump away from Jita.

Spreading out the sell / buy orders over the entire constellation would not be a bad goal either. It would make the market slightly less efficient, which would mean more niches for the smaller traders.
Mookie Quantico
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-04-01 05:10:05 UTC
LET IT BURN !

C'mon guys... you have to admit watching JITA go into something like 10% TiDi will be hilarious... nevermind the Goons and associates... but all the Concord that will spawn to utterly bog down things... !

Serious player driven content... you folks should be jumping in with both feet ! ! ! Pirate

Mook
Green EyedDragon
Amped.
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2012-04-21 11:02:14 UTC
Okay so i am a relatively NEW player to eve but i know what to do and what not to do and even Being 4 months old in eve have heard about the Power that goonswarm holds so for however long Hulkageddon AND jita burn goes for i will be safely tucked away in some ass ends of nowhere SystemBig smile

Green!! RLW
Krevnos
Back Door Burglars
#30 - 2012-04-21 11:17:53 UTC
Ha ha as if "Burn Jita" is going to have any significant effect on the trading hub status of the system itself.

I for one am going to be flying tanked Itty 5's around Jita all day. Bring it on, I say!!! Big smile
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#31 - 2012-04-21 14:59:21 UTC
I have a coalition of angry bears who will be bringing upwards of 300 BattleBadgers to the event. Should be fun.
MushroomMushroom
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-04-21 17:11:09 UTC
Any tax mechanic aimed at Jita would need to by dynamic, otherwise the trade would just centralize on an alternative hub (say Amarr). As for the goon interdiction, it will have a negligible long term effect on Jita as a whole, will have a moderate to large short term impact on the markets for certain goods, but will generate EPIC quantities of tears.
Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-04-21 20:32:39 UTC
We don't need to think about Jita, because as long as we have those medivial region borders we will get a new Jita. Jita exists because of a lack of information. Jita gives us a good global price level on most products.

Those regions borders are an result of former technological problem, but since CCP moved the market of Jita to a dedicated server CCP should have no problems to get rid of the region borders.
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#34 - 2012-04-21 20:41:01 UTC
You could add taxes with increased pilots in a single station, as the station fills it will require more maintenance etc. the more a station fills the more transaction taxes are heaped upon them along with possible low mission rewards in some hubs. Forcing everyone to spread out more / evenly.

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#35 - 2012-04-21 21:49:11 UTC
Nomad I wrote:

Those regions borders are an result of former technological problem, but since CCP moved the market of Jita to a dedicated server CCP should have no problems to get rid of the region borders.


Regional borders are a boon to the younger / smaller traders. Without regional borders, Jita would pretty much dominate the landscape (even more then today). Perfect information is the enemy of good game play as it lets the larger fish crowd out the smaller fish.
Dead Loss
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-04-22 07:18:48 UTC
Jita is THE place you want to be on that day.

Anyone saying "avoid Jita" has failed to understand what is going to happen.

And I am talking about market. Not combat.
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#37 - 2012-04-22 10:05:34 UTC
Alain Kinsella wrote:
Katarina Reid wrote:
Will other market hubs see more demand?


If the casual buyers are smart, they already moved to another hub long ago. If not, they'll learn awful fast.

My personal hope is that Jita just becomes another hub - all four becoming more equal to each other (yes, I'm implying that Dodixie finally gets first-class status).


@ corestwo - valid point. My previous experience with SL makes me think (if Sony was behind some of this) that you're in for an interesting time. GL with your guys efforts, I had enough of that back with y'all in SL so I'll just sit back and grab some popcorn this time.


Just a small comment on this one. I think it would be worth a look from ccp side to rebalance the general markets.

My suggestion would be they make one station which is scc and thus neutral in each of the primary and secondary hubs in the entire universe. So 8 new stations. Then link the benefits directly to trade skills and not faction standing.

amarr-and-gallente

caldari-and-minmatar

I think the general idea of Burn Jita is a very interesting piece of player created content. The goons are def "creating" the game, while occasionally destroying it for individuals and groups. I would just like if there was more like this on smaller scales and "ongoing"... Hopefully some of the new ballancings and fixing aggression might help with that..
clixor
Celluloid Gurus
#38 - 2012-04-22 11:18:15 UTC
Dead Loss wrote:
Jita is THE place you want to be on that day.

Anyone saying "avoid Jita" has failed to understand what is going to happen.

And I am talking about market. Not combat.


There's only so much stuff which can be 'swapped' between traders. Eventually you'll need consumers. So imo other hubs are more interesting after a few days. I wouldn't be surprised if the goonz have anticipated this and have stocks
in the secundary hubs (that's what i would do at least).
Prophet Avater
Imperium Technologies
Sigma Grindset
#39 - 2012-04-23 13:31:50 UTC
There is always a chance it will cause some discomfort for traders, I expect it to spike prices, for it to be effective It can't be for 1 day maybe a few weeks or goons can just attack at random.
Lauzejs
Nodoklu nemaksatajs
#40 - 2012-04-24 13:00:16 UTC
10xbeers check, popcorn.... errr 10x beer check 30" screen check, cloaked ship check, JC in highsec check, free weekend check,
I say let it burn i want see all the tears in local and everywere else in jita Lol