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Xander Blackwell
Perkone
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-04-21 11:02:58 UTC
CCP WE DONT HAVE ACCESS TO DUST..... come on guys this is embarrassing. I am embarrassed for you.... Sort us out beta keys before abusing us.... glad to know who is most important to CCP though. PSN over EvE
Whatisthis Idon'teven
Doomheim
#62 - 2012-04-21 12:27:38 UTC
Maybe if CCP had ever actually enforced a 'permanent' ban in the past and stuck to it, the threat of it might be taken seriously.

As it stands, because of the lack of commitment to rule enforcement throughout TQ and SiSi it's no wonder people are ignoring the NDA as just another set of CCP 'suggestions' rather than rules. Roll

To be clear, how many days does a 'permanent' ban mean this time?
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#63 - 2012-04-21 13:02:33 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
ITT: WAAAAAA I'M AN EVE PLAYER WAAAAAAA THAT SHOULD GIVE ME SPECIAL PRIVILIGES WAAAAAAAA


Grow the hell up, the lot of you.


This and on the other hand giving keys to everyone does give a more accurate info on the games overall appeal even if the testing quality might suffer compared to a public beta collected entirely from a fan base.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#64 - 2012-04-21 13:51:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Baneken wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
TL;DR - HTFU.


This and on the other hand giving keys to everyone does give a more accurate info on the games overall appeal even if the testing quality might suffer compared to a public beta collected entirely from a fan base.


Exactly. DUST simply isn't aimed at existing EVE players. The entire point of it is to bring more players into New Eden from a completely different demographic, not to pander to the existing community.

CCP need to know that the game has appeal for and is accessible to people who aren't already part of the established community. They're not going to achieve that by throwing around beta keys like gratitude candy to every butthurt forum brat who unfairly and inaccurately accuses them of "neglect".

What I take from the leaked beta videos is that a vocal component to the information screens might be a good idea. Right now people are like "ugh, tutorial window CLOSE." and then spend five minutes trying to upgrade a skill that they don't have enough SP for or which is already at level five, whilst ignoring the green and red numbers that are supposed to let them know what is and isn't possible, and even ignore the error message they get every time.

An unskippable but short AURA announcement to accompany the error message might help. you know, something like "You do not have enough stored Skill Points to afford this skill level" in the same bored tone of voice that we hear "you are unable to warp because you are warp scrambled.". Maybe if they do it ten times AURA could get bitchy and be like "I assume that you must have ignored the tutorial window I helpfully displayed for you when you first attempted to access this feature. Would you like to refresh your memory?

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
deart laves
State War Academy
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-04-21 13:59:52 UTC
hahahahahahahahahaha, so i sit here impatiently waiting for dust 514. waiting and waiting for the beta to start, thinking to myself that by the time CCP actually get's around to doing it E3 will be here. then as i'm logging in to eve i see the news posted about the nda and follow the link where i read this thread about how people who barely even know of the game are getting in......to that i say ROFLMAO.
gaszy mexican
SILVER INDUSTRIES
#66 - 2012-04-21 15:41:14 UTC
so there leaving this posted about the nda when it seems non of the eve players here have got in and its the playstation plus guys messing up the nda and stuffs ....


CCP SORT YOUR SH~T OUT SON!

we the people who been to fanfest cant redeem the damn code given to us via the site you told us to use!
Domin Mitauchi
SONS of LEGION
#67 - 2012-04-21 15:50:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Domin Mitauchi
Like many of you I have been waiting for Dust for over 3 years now. With the release of the Sony Beta keys I understand it can be quite frustrating. It seems that Sony and CCP most likely have a shared database for key distribution so that they do not send keys to the same people when it came time to actually release them. Unfortunately it is my belief that Sony may of prematurely sent out the keys to 5000 random PS3 users. The database of beta testers most likely noted all of us who signed up for keys from CCP and made sure that we were excluded from the randomized list. This system would most likely be in place so that they did not send keys out to the same people twice.

Most of you may not care either way but I think it is important mention this for the following reasons:

1. I truly believe that with all the PR of Fanfest, CCP would never intentionally allow another beta group to get into the game before the Fanfest attendees. They did after all state that Fanfest attendees would be the first ones to beta DUST 514 and I do think it is important to CCP, as it should be for anyone interested in DUST, that it gain support within the Eve Community and be successful.

2. Every beta tester that I know of that has received a key has a PlayStation but did not sign up for the beta through CCP as they do not have an Eve Account. There may be the odd case where someone has received a key and has signed up on the CCP account management interface, but I have yet to find one.

3. Without going to so far to break the NDA the information on the mail received was not accurate. I really can not go into details here as I am not sure what falls under the NDA and what does not, but the information I received illustrates that dates and general information regarding the beta was malformed and did not accurately reflect testing dates, server times etc. This leads me to believe that the whole release by Sony was more accidental than a planed release. CCP not wanting to cause waves really can not just come out and say that. So here we sit in our current situation.

Just my theory but it makes sense.

PS - To CCP hopefully anything I said does not violate your NDA as I haven't received a key yet and would very much still like one when you get everything straightened out.

"We are everywhere for your conveince"

www.riseoflegion.com
Doctor Caprician
The Denisovan Initiative
#68 - 2012-04-21 15:56:37 UTC
So, if I'm understanding this correctly:


  • The player base that wants beta access but cannot have it yet is being warned due to the activities of those who do have (But probably shouldn't, since they're most likely *not* the EVE player base anyway but instead random PSN users) it.

  • The entity that gave out beta invites, and did so with apparently as much concern for the NDA as a politician has for the truth, isn't even CCP but is in fact Sony. Yet CCP is the one handing out the warnings despite the fact that those responsible for the violations made an agreement through Sony and it should be Sony throwing ban hammers at PSN accounts, not the other way around.

  • The target audience for this admonishment most likely wont ever see it since, as previously stated, they're not EVE players but are instead PSN users and most likely don't even know this forum/thread exists. That alone renders the entire thread, and quite possibly my own reply to it, moot.


Did I get all that right? I'm usually pretty quick on the uptake but the level of jackassery here was quite overwhelming.

I have only recently returned to EVE from an extended break and I see a lot has changed. It is refreshing however to see that it is in fact true that no matter how much things change they always remain the same.

Achievement Unlocked: A legendary amount of ridiculousness!

Doc. C.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#69 - 2012-04-21 15:59:50 UTC
Dust? Isn't that a cross between Unreal Tournament, Deus Ex and with some EVE missiles? I already have those games, thanks.
gaszy mexican
SILVER INDUSTRIES
#70 - 2012-04-21 16:01:08 UTC
looks like im gonna be spamming twitter all day what fun .
Doctor Caprician
The Denisovan Initiative
#71 - 2012-04-21 16:06:29 UTC
Domin Mitauchi wrote:
Like many of you I have been waiting for Dust for over 3 years now. With the release of the Sony Beta keys I understand it can be quite frustrating. It seems that Sony and CCP most likely have a shared database for key distribution so that they do not send keys to the same people when it came time to actually release them. Unfortunately it is my belief that Sony may of prematurely sent out the keys to 5000 random PS3 users. The database of beta testers most likely noted all of us who signed up for keys from CCP and made sure that we were excluded from the randomized list. This system would most likely be in place so that they did not send keys out to the same people twice.

Most of you may not care either way but I think it is important mention this for the following reasons:

1. I truly believe that with all the PR of Fanfest, CCP would never intentionally allow another beta group to get into the game before the Fanfest attendees. They did after all state that Fanfest attendees would be the first ones to beta DUST 514 and I do think it is important to CCP, as it should be for anyone interested in DUST, that it gain support within the Eve Community and be successful.


Yet those who attended Fanfest actually weren't the first ones invited to the beta, so there's that.

Domin Mitauchi wrote:
2. Every beta tester that I know of that has received a key has a PlayStation but did not sign up for the beta through CCP as they do not have an Eve Account. There may be the odd case where someone has received a key and has signed up on the CCP account management interface, but I have yet to find one.


If everyone you know who got a beta key has a PSN account but not an EVE/CCP account then what is the basis for your "CCP/Sony shared database" theory? The only way Sony would have my CCP info in order to send me a key would be if CCP gave it to them, which I didn't authorize. It would work the other way around too, from Sony to CCP.

Domin Mitauchi wrote:
3. Without going to so far to break the NDA the information on the mail received was not accurate. I really can not go into details here as I am not sure what falls under the NDA and what does not, but the information I received illustrates that dates and general information regarding the beta was malformed and did not accurately reflect testing dates, server times etc. This leads me to believe that the whole release by Sony was more accidental than a planed release. CCP not wanting to cause waves really can not just come out and say that. So here we sit in our current situation.

Just my theory but it makes sense.

PS - To CCP hopefully anything I said does not violate your NDA as I haven't received a key yet and would very much still like one when you get everything straightened out.


Um, what?

You state you received some sort of mail that restricts your ability to go into deep detail, implying an NDA is place regarding your statements. You then say you have not yet received an invitation into the beta, thereby negating any potential NDA governing your comments.

Which is it?

/confused
Chimz Domsathanas
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2012-04-21 17:27:40 UTC
Kossaw wrote:
Navigator,

You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waitng for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....

And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who dont give a s***t about your product.


Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us dont have acess to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.

Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give acess to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.



couldn't have said it any better myself. great post
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#73 - 2012-04-21 17:54:17 UTC
So learn to be patient and wait for the game along with everybody else.

Beta testing is not a free ticket to playing a game early. it is to TEST. You all sound like you just want to fluff about playing a game before everybody else and get an "I'm Spewcial" hat.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#74 - 2012-04-21 18:29:03 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
CCP Navigator, I'm sad to see you scolding the EVE playerbase over the video leaks when none of us are even able to leak the info even if we wanted to. Cry



Aye, seems rather ackward doesn't it.

Then again where else would they post it. Dust webpage is rather bad (no forum, bad spelling/punctuation, etc).

Perhaps they think all the randomly selected dust testers will flock to this forum.

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
Deriah Book
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2012-04-21 18:42:17 UTC
Shepard Book wrote:
Please Ban them and give the keys to those that are mature enough to do what they agree to. Idea I am available P

Yes. We Books are mature. Still burly. But of advanced years.

Browncoats.... FTW
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#76 - 2012-04-21 18:52:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Dust is gona flop anyway, why get in a hissy fit over it?

Come back later and tell me I am wrong :P


Question is, what happens to CCP if Dust does flop? Seems to me they are banking on it not flopping, otherwise they are DUST.
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#77 - 2012-04-21 19:00:20 UTC
Domin Mitauchi wrote:
3. Without going to so far to break the NDA the information on the mail received was not accurate. I really can not go into details here as I am not sure what falls under the NDA and what does not, but the information I received illustrates that dates and general information regarding the beta was malformed and did not accurately reflect testing dates, server times etc. This leads me to believe that the whole release by Sony was more accidental than a planed release. CCP not wanting to cause waves really can not just come out and say that. So here we sit in our current situation.

Just my theory but it makes sense.

PS - To CCP hopefully anything I said does not violate your NDA as I haven't received a key yet and would very much still like one when you get everything straightened out.

You can't break and NDA unless you sign/accept it. So unless you are in the closed beta you have not signed a thing yet.

The mail you most likely are referring to was posted on a random ps3 forum including beta key and everything. The interesting part is that it stated May 17th for the beta while it actually happened a month earlier.

How to win EVE
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#78 - 2012-04-21 19:14:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
The NDA is worthless outside the country of origin. I bet you could even then use Severability to shred half of it as unenforceable clauses due to overreaching or being too vaguely/broad worded or just plan breach of existing laws. Regardless, electronic signatures are worthless too. Checkboxes do not mean agreement or proceeding with various actions does not mean agreement. There is so many ways in which it is as useful as a piece of toilet paper. Well, toilet paper has more applications depending on the ply count.
Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
#79 - 2012-04-21 19:42:51 UTC
Good start.

:ccp:

C.
Celebris Nexterra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2012-04-21 20:06:56 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Din Tempre wrote:
A month or two might not seem like a lot, but some of us have been following dust for years.

You seem to be assuming that I haven't. Believe me, I have. And believe me, I want to get an email inviting me to play the beta as much as you.

Unlike you, I haven't translated my enthusiasm into a sense of entitlement and bratty impatience. The Beta is a testing tool, and an important one that's there to iron out kinks in the game before it's released. It's not a zarking reward scheme.

Astonishingly, one of the most important demographics that CCP will be wanting to get feedback on DUST from are people who aren't already emotionally invested in EVE Online, and who haven't been waiting patiently for DUST for a couple of years. The people who can give it a reasonably fair and unbiased opinion rather than fangasming all over it, in other words.

Being a paying EVE customer is ALREADY giving you privileged access in the form of Mordu's Private Trials and Fanfest beta keys. It's just not giving you immediate, right-this-second privileged access which is what you and so many other people seem to want.

Cultivate some patience. you've already waited a couple of years - what's another month going to harm you?


Actually, it's the complete opposite. I have been following DUST since its inception and that first highly vague trailer, since before basically any information had been released about it. I have since followed all announcements about it and all videos posted of gameplay. You suggest that our experience with EVE and attention to DUST's ongoing development biases our opinion in a way that would hurt the validity of the beta, but I say nay. The fact that we know how EVE works, how sov mechanics work, how FiS mechanics work, and that we know the purpose for DUST, means we would have more applicable questions/suggestions. If we see something in DUST that could potentially break game balance for FiS, we could call that out, because we know how FiS works. Random people don't. Additionally, I won't have a "fangasm" over DUST unless it's actually as good as it's been hyped up to be, as good as I expect it to be. My expectations aren't lower because I've followed DUST for 2 years, they're higher. Much higher.

And you said "Being a paying EVE customer is ALREADY giving you privileged access..." That's exactly the point. We (and myself in particular) signed up for that closed beta minutes after the devblog was posted with the link, and the vast majority of us didn't get into the beta. No one is claiming more of a sense of entitlement than that. We didn't start that; CCP did when they offered (possible) closed beta keys exclusively to EVE players with that first devblog. It's more of being let down than feeling entitled.