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Dear DUST 514 Beta Testers

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cApAc aMaRu
Burning Sword
#41 - 2012-04-21 00:04:07 UTC
CCP: "If you get too excited we will ban you."

TROLOLOLOL
Virr Kotto
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-04-21 00:10:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Virr Kotto
Truly disappointing.

But in a year or so, it might not matter worth a damn... SONY isn't doing so hot in the corporate way... huge staffing cuts... luckily,
SONY's game division was allegedly "spared" thus far... but hey... the next round of cuts is only as far away as the next Quarterly Report ... and DUST isn't even on the shelves yet.

Good luck with that.
Bullyboutya
Major Distribution Space Division
#43 - 2012-04-21 02:15:30 UTC
Kossaw wrote:
Navigator,

You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waitng for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....

And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who dont give a s***t about your product.


Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us dont have acess to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.

Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give acess to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.



Thank you everyone laughed at me yesterday this was my point. Fan Fest and Eve players should have been part of that 5000 period gave it to playstation plus noob members what did you expectQuestion
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-04-21 03:07:12 UTC
Kossaw wrote:
Navigator,

You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waitng for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....

And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who dont give a s***t about your product.


Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us dont have acess to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.

Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give acess to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.



right, most of us wouldn't leak the product if we paid to go see it and didn't break the NDA there. They gave it to people who didn't even know what it was. there is one guy who is stoned playing dust 514 up on youtube. He records the game and even laughs at the title closed beta test.

These are people you have testing your game ccp? not those of us who signed up months ago by following your dev blogs and playing you because we love eve as a product and want to test it for you?

Instead of give it to these people.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg

MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-04-21 03:09:53 UTC
Bullyboutya wrote:
Kossaw wrote:
Navigator,

You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waitng for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....

And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who dont give a s***t about your product.


Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us dont have acess to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.

Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give acess to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.



Thank you everyone laughed at me yesterday this was my point. Fan Fest and Eve players should have been part of that 5000 period gave it to playstation plus noob members what did you expectQuestion


That's not the point, CCP said and told the community that these 5000 keys were closed beta testers as in internal testers that work and volunteers to test games. CCP has something similar with the playerbase on the more secure testing servers where they have help from the playerbase.

If this had been true, and it was an offical stress test with people who were professional in other alpha testing events you would of been right. But instead the people that got beta keys were randomly selected, and that's why I now am on your side of the fence. I really didn't think they gave them out to random people.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg

Mr Kitty Marstolt
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-04-21 03:10:39 UTC
Bullyboutya wrote:
Kossaw wrote:
Navigator,

You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waiting for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....

And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who don't give a s***t about your product.


Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us don't have access to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.

Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give access to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.



Thank you everyone laughed at me yesterday this was my point. Fan Fest and Eve players should have been part of that 5000 period gave it to play station plus noob members what did you expectQuestion


My brother who don't play EvE but has a PS3 got sent a beta key direct from Sony to his email address. He doesn't give 2 ***** about EvE or Dust but also don't care about posting video's of closed beta.

I'm not going to comment about the possibility of him posting video's as i do not want to be part of that, but I'm afraid where I'm from your DNA means NOTHING.

o7


MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-04-21 03:14:07 UTC  |  Edited by: MotherMoon
oh and ONE MORE THING NAVIGATOR. scolds navigator.

How would the people you gave keys out even see this post? This is the eve online forums, this is not where a bunch of random people getting keys to some game they never heard of going to go to check a post telling them not to break the NDA.

I mean, what were you thinking?!? letting an assortment of players from across the us at random. When maybe only 10-20% of people who have a ps3 have even heard of dust yet. And only 15% of people who play eve even post on the forums.

So you picked a group of people who you can't control and have no invested in getting banned from dust 514 because they don't care? The leaked videos aren't even ever good! I've seen all 3 of them and they are just somebody doing things like.

1.check market, get confused by player options close market.

2.Create character, all three videos the make the basic boring caldari marine

3.Confused by the fitting video none of this leaks even touches the fitting system.

4. None of them even understand how the skill window works. some guy spent 2 minutes trying to click a skill to upgrade it. ignoring the pop up window that says "you don't have enough skill points" the guy just keeps clicking it and then closing the pop-up.

Basically they show nothing of your game anyways. Terrible leaks that literally ignore showing off most of what makes dust 514 different.


shame on your CCP, having to watch these idiots fail at playing a simple MMOFPS. One guy even proclaims shook of amazment when he finds out there is a jump button! go look it up yourself, it's an embarrassing 1st look the world is getting at your game cp.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg

Logix42
Taxation Damnation
#48 - 2012-04-21 04:20:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Logix42
MotherMoon wrote:
oh and ONE MORE THING NAVIGATOR. scolds navigator.

How would the people you gace keys out even see this post? This is the eve online forums, this is not where a bunch of random people getting keys to some game they never heard of going to go to check a post telling them nt the break the NDA.

I mean, what were you thinking?!? letting an assortment of players from across the us at random. When maybe only 10-20% of people who have a ps3 have even heard of dust yet. And only 15% of people who play eve even post on the forums.

So you picked a group of people who you can't control and have no invested in getting banned from dust 514 becuase they don't care? The leaked videos aren't even ever good! I've seen all 3 of them and they are just somebody doing things like.

1.check market, get confused by player options close market.

2.Create character, all three videos the make the basic boring caldari marine

3.Confused by the fitting video none of this leaks even touches the fitting system.

4. Non eof them even understand how the skill window works. some guy spent 2 minutes trying to click a skill to upgrade it. ignoring the pop up window that says "you don't have enough skill points" the guy just keeps clicking it and then closing the pop-up.

Basically they show nothing of your game anyways. Terrible leaks that literally ignore showing off most of what makes dust 514 different.


shame on your CCP, having to watch these idiots fail at playing a simple MMOFPS. One guy even proclaims shook of amazing when he finds out there is a jump button! go look it up yourself, it's an embarrassing 1st look the world is getting at your game cp.


Beautifully put, this is an elegant persuasion why people who CARE about Dust 514 should have got beta keys first and regardless of that, why Fanfest people should have got in first. People over at Eve Uni who have created Dust Uni, or even anyone from eve really, might have been able to help the poor PSN nubs.

Go beyond the edge of space... Explore

Hehaw Jimbojohnson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#49 - 2012-04-21 04:29:58 UTC
Seriously? Why would you send out beta keys to random Playstation Plus members, most of which have probably never heard of EVE, if there is an NDA in place? You really think most console gamers are going to read/expect an NDA for a game they likely got a random invite to that they neither requested nor expected?
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-04-21 04:32:25 UTC
Hehaw Jimbojohnson wrote:
Seriously? Why would you send out beta keys to random Playstation Plus members, most of which have probably never heard of EVE, if there is an NDA in place? You really think most console gamers are going to read/expect an NDA for a game they likely got a random invite to that they neither requested nor expected?

I hope ccp doesn't dodge the question

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg

Shiro Sudoku
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2012-04-21 05:11:45 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
oh and ONE MORE THING NAVIGATOR. scolds navigator.

How would the people you gave keys out even see this post? This is the eve online forums, this is not where a bunch of random people getting keys to some game they never heard of going to go to check a post telling them not to break the NDA.

I mean, what were you thinking?!? letting an assortment of players from across the us at random. When maybe only 10-20% of people who have a ps3 have even heard of dust yet. And only 15% of people who play eve even post on the forums.

So you picked a group of people who you can't control and have no invested in getting banned from dust 514 because they don't care? The leaked videos aren't even ever good! I've seen all 3 of them and they are just somebody doing things like.

1.check market, get confused by player options close market.

2.Create character, all three videos the make the basic boring caldari marine

3.Confused by the fitting video none of this leaks even touches the fitting system.

4. None of them even understand how the skill window works. some guy spent 2 minutes trying to click a skill to upgrade it. ignoring the pop up window that says "you don't have enough skill points" the guy just keeps clicking it and then closing the pop-up.

Basically they show nothing of your game anyways. Terrible leaks that literally ignore showing off most of what makes dust 514 different.


shame on your CCP, having to watch these idiots fail at playing a simple MMOFPS. One guy even proclaims shook of amazment when he finds out there is a jump button! go look it up yourself, it's an embarrassing 1st look the world is getting at your game cp.


I couldn't agree more. Also I fear an influx of idiots like those in the videos and CCP dumbing down EVE to cater to these people. It seems obvious these console players have no interest or patients for even the complexity of Dust.

Hopfully when the number of people playing on PS3 inevitably disappears due to its complexity it will be released on PC to people who can really appreciate it and turn it into something really special.

If the average console player cannot mash the "x" button from the main menu and eventually end up in a game they lose interest quickly, this is your targeted audience CCP? A huge percent of the people playing this game will never use or understand half the features you have put into the game, they will quit and go play the latest CoD cause it is simple and easy Two different breeds, Console players and PC players. Dust is a game I think better suited to the PC market.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2012-04-21 05:16:02 UTC
Shiro Sudoku wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:
oh and ONE MORE THING NAVIGATOR. scolds navigator.

How would the people you gave keys out even see this post? This is the eve online forums, this is not where a bunch of random people getting keys to some game they never heard of going to go to check a post telling them not to break the NDA.

I mean, what were you thinking?!? letting an assortment of players from across the us at random. When maybe only 10-20% of people who have a ps3 have even heard of dust yet. And only 15% of people who play eve even post on the forums.

So you picked a group of people who you can't control and have no invested in getting banned from dust 514 because they don't care? The leaked videos aren't even ever good! I've seen all 3 of them and they are just somebody doing things like.

1.check market, get confused by player options close market.

2.Create character, all three videos the make the basic boring caldari marine

3.Confused by the fitting video none of this leaks even touches the fitting system.

4. None of them even understand how the skill window works. some guy spent 2 minutes trying to click a skill to upgrade it. ignoring the pop up window that says "you don't have enough skill points" the guy just keeps clicking it and then closing the pop-up.

Basically they show nothing of your game anyways. Terrible leaks that literally ignore showing off most of what makes dust 514 different.


shame on your CCP, having to watch these idiots fail at playing a simple MMOFPS. One guy even proclaims shook of amazment when he finds out there is a jump button! go look it up yourself, it's an embarrassing 1st look the world is getting at your game cp.


I couldn't agree more. Also I fear an influx of idiots like those in the videos and CCP dumbing down EVE to cater to these people. It seems obvious these console players have no interest or patients for even the complexity of Dust.

Hopfully when the number of people playing on PS3 inevitably disappears due to its complexity it will be released on PC to people who can really appreciate it and turn it into something really special.

If the average console player cannot mash the "x" button from the main menu and eventually end up in a game they lose interest quickly, this is your targeted audience CCP? A huge percent of the people playing this game will never use or understand half the features you have put into the game, they will quit and go play the latest CoD cause it is simple and easy Two different breeds, Console players and PC players. Dust is a game I think better suited to the PC market.


see I 100% disagree with you. There are many more serious clans popping up everyday. The console gaming comunnity is growing and maturing and trying to push these people out. The problem is the games don't push these people out. Dust 514 is a great experiment to condense the hardcore FPS community into a single game that gives them more to think about because they are finally tire of playing games that don't require you to think. But it seems obvious that dust 514 will require you to think and use your brain.

I think all of the serious FPS gamers who want something different that is more invovling are going to pile into dust. The people who want fps to be boardcasted like a sport, the fps players that love complex gaming.

Hopefully dust will finally prove there is a breed of console gamers with a brain that are sick of the current generation of nonsense.

And on top of that it will get released for PC : )

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg

Elojs
White Cottage Holdings
#53 - 2012-04-21 05:20:44 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:


shame on your CCP, having to watch these idiots fail at playing a simple MMOFPS. One guy even proclaims shook of amazment when he finds out there is a jump button! go look it up yourself, it's an embarrassing 1st look the world is getting at your game cp.


Um, CCP, talk to a lawyer... I mean, a real one. If Sony is randomly distributing the game prior to obtaining a binding consent on an NDA, isn't SONY is violation of the confidentiality agreements CCP signed with SONY?

Just another 2 ISK.
Shiro Sudoku
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-04-21 05:20:47 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
Shiro Sudoku wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:
oh and ONE MORE THING NAVIGATOR. scolds navigator.

How would the people you gave keys out even see this post? This is the eve online forums, this is not where a bunch of random people getting keys to some game they never heard of going to go to check a post telling them not to break the NDA.

I mean, what were you thinking?!? letting an assortment of players from across the us at random. When maybe only 10-20% of people who have a ps3 have even heard of dust yet. And only 15% of people who play eve even post on the forums.

So you picked a group of people who you can't control and have no invested in getting banned from dust 514 because they don't care? The leaked videos aren't even ever good! I've seen all 3 of them and they are just somebody doing things like.

1.check market, get confused by player options close market.

2.Create character, all three videos the make the basic boring caldari marine

3.Confused by the fitting video none of this leaks even touches the fitting system.

4. None of them even understand how the skill window works. some guy spent 2 minutes trying to click a skill to upgrade it. ignoring the pop up window that says "you don't have enough skill points" the guy just keeps clicking it and then closing the pop-up.

Basically they show nothing of your game anyways. Terrible leaks that literally ignore showing off most of what makes dust 514 different.


shame on your CCP, having to watch these idiots fail at playing a simple MMOFPS. One guy even proclaims shook of amazment when he finds out there is a jump button! go look it up yourself, it's an embarrassing 1st look the world is getting at your game cp.


I couldn't agree more. Also I fear an influx of idiots like those in the videos and CCP dumbing down EVE to cater to these people. It seems obvious these console players have no interest or patients for even the complexity of Dust.

Hopfully when the number of people playing on PS3 inevitably disappears due to its complexity it will be released on PC to people who can really appreciate it and turn it into something really special.

If the average console player cannot mash the "x" button from the main menu and eventually end up in a game they lose interest quickly, this is your targeted audience CCP? A huge percent of the people playing this game will never use or understand half the features you have put into the game, they will quit and go play the latest CoD cause it is simple and easy Two different breeds, Console players and PC players. Dust is a game I think better suited to the PC market.


see I 100% disagree with you. There are many more serious clans popping up everyday. The console gaming comunnity is growing and maturing and trying to push these people out. The problem is the games don't push these people out. Dust 514 is a great experiment to condense the hardcore FPS community into a single game that gives them more to think about because they are finally tire of playing games that don't require you to think. But it seems obvious that dust 514 will require you to think and use your brain.

I think all of the serious FPS gamers who want something different that is more invovling are going to pile into dust. The people who want fps to be boardcasted like a sport, the fps players that love complex gaming.

Hopefully dust will finally prove there is a breed of console gamers with a brain that are sick of the current generation of nonsense.

And on top of that it will get released for PC : )


I really hope that is the case cause the Beta videos are pure face palm material.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#55 - 2012-04-21 07:13:53 UTC
While I agree that it is a bit redundant to have a post about the NDA and Beta here on the forums, I hardly see it as an issue. Also, I'm fairly certain that the current Beta available to whatever Sony Playstation testers is one that I don't want to be in. Of course, I am hoping that we get on something a little more recent than an early stress testing beta.

Wouldn't want to use up my Beta access rights, (if I actually have any; that is, I get in), on something that early on. I'm looking at the opportunity to test the skills training, see what it's all about, try some of the new toys, and get a better picture of what it's going to be like when it hits full release.

June 2012 is sort of when we can expect it to hit full release stage afterall, and we are looking at that being only a month away really, so why not expect that CCPs granted access to Mordus Private Trials is going to be testing for the Pre-release Beta which anyone sensible would really want access to.

It is expected we will be able to continue on training and playing with our Beta account to one degree or another anyway. What is more rewarding than that. I can't say I expect the same to be available to the Playstation Beta access players but you never know.

I'm happy with whatever works out anyway and I don't really see CCP Navigator as flogging us in any way. You'd sort of have to be guilty of breaking the NDA to actually find any validity in such a statement with regard to yourself I should think. Having not done so, I hardly see the point in worrying about it.
zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub
Brinxter
Bite Me inc
#56 - 2012-04-21 07:25:38 UTC
Kossaw wrote:
Navigator,

You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waitng for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....

And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who dont give a s***t about your product.


Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us dont have acess to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.

Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give acess to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.




+1

Well said sir.
drillerkiller2004
Brazilian Vultures
Ferrata Victrix
#57 - 2012-04-21 07:40:26 UTC
WAR IS COMING!!!!
Kaela Arthropod
Doomheim
#58 - 2012-04-21 07:55:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaela Arthropod
Kossaw wrote:
Navigator,

You need to take this up with Sony. It's pretty disappointing to be an Eve Fan, to be a Fan-Fest Attendee, to have been waitng for months for access to the beta, to be really excited about it .....

And then have Sony hand out Beta keys to a bunch of people who dont give a s***t about your product.


Reminding us all here that others are breaking the NDA, when most of us dont have acess to the beta just rubs salt into the wound.

Sony's decision to bypass CCP and give acess to non eve players does leave a bitter taste.



Its not about 'Eve players getting a hands on to the new product', you seem to misunderstand, it is about INCOME GENERATION and I bet a full five that Sony and CCP have already discussed and agreed a path forward, and hey, if that didn't include letting you get your greedy mitts on the gear, well tough luck, man up kid.

CCP and Sony are using a product they own to create an income stream for thier shareholders and it has nothing to do with you, the goons or any other player.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2012-04-21 08:04:50 UTC
Shiro Sudoku wrote:


I really hope that is the case cause the Beta videos are pure face palm material.



Dude yeah I know : (

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg

Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#60 - 2012-04-21 10:03:10 UTC
CCP Navigator, I'm sad to see you scolding the EVE playerbase over the video leaks when none of us are even able to leak the info even if we wanted to. Cry